Caffe Luxxe

Loved it here! The staff were so kind and friendly and quick to make my drink. I sat outside as the sun was setting and did some work on my laptop and it was so peaceful and perfect. I got a green tea with passionfruit and it was delicious. I really liked the variety of seating options available and loved sitting in some comfy patio chairs. There really are a lot of options here!! One thing to note: they do not offer WiFi, the shopping center does, but it's not very good WiFi. I had to connect to my personal hotspot to get work done.

Visiting here for the second time now. I wanted to grab coffee before my lunch plans and shop around the stores. Parking: There's a parking structure with free 90 minute parking. There's free street parking, but it's difficult to find. There's also a free parking lot across the street. Finding a spot in the lot can be a hit or miss. Ambiance/Environment: They're located along side PCH. They have a medium sized space with limited amount of indoor seating and a good amount of outdoor seating. It's pretty clean inside. I sat outside because the views of the weather and boats were nice. It wasn't too busy, but there were consistent customers coming in. There's no clear direction of where the line starts, so people just started lining up however. Service: The baristas are always courteous and welcoming. They're very knowledgable about the menu. They'll ask if you have any questions about the menu. I asked them if they still do latte art, and luckily one of the baristas that was working knows how to do latte art. Throughput is also quick; it took about 5 min after ordering. Drinks: I ordered a large hot Dolcezza from their seasonal menu. It's a pumpkin puree spiced latte. A hot large latte is 12 oz. I asked for a ceramic mug since I wanted to sit outside for a while. The latte art was so cute. The drink itself tasted exactly as described. The pumpkin flavor was strong and paired well with the espresso. Pricing: It cost $7.50 for a seasonal, large hot latte. I noticed prices are a bit more than average. Considering where it's located, I'm not too surprised. Although I enjoyed my drink, I'd visit once in a while when I'm in the area.

Good experience overall. Ordered two of the same drink but one with regular milk and the other with oat milk. I ordered the honey vanilla iced latte. The oat milk is better. The coffee overall didn't really do anything for me, maybe there wasn't enough espresso in it. But the taste was good 7.3/10 and the location was clean and staff was friendly. I would come here for the atmosphere if the marina. Nice breeze, nice shops, can relax and take it all in type of atmosphere. Plenty of parking and places to sit.

Disconnected staff. Very rude. I came in with only one small group being serviced ahead of me. I waited patiently. Three other groups came in while I was waiting. The barista turned and immediately began taking the order of the group behind me. Another staff member asked me, "What do you want?" I replied, "A cold brewed coffee would be nice." She looked confused, and said, "Well, the line starts over there," she pointed to the back of newly formed line. I said, "That's unfortunate. You should check the security cameras." I left. No one stopped me. No one cared. It says a lot about a company's culture to let a customer walk away without comment or concern.

Caffè Luxxe never disappoints. The coffee is rich, smooth, and perfectly crafted. You can tell they take real pride in their work. The staff was incredibly kind and attentive, creating a warm, welcoming atmosphere that made our morning meeting feel effortless. Excellent service, beautiful presentation, and a space that feels equal parts elegant and relaxed. Easily one of my favorite coffee spots in Long Beach.

I usually give folks the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they're having a bad day. But when someone's every response to my questions lands with a condescending tone as if I've offended them, I think that the owners need to know. I stopped by today to meet with some folks in a business networking group for a cup and some conversation. Side note: I LOVE coffee. I do a lot of pour over, espresso and Aeropress at home and, like many of you, have gone down the rabbit hole of "the search for a better cup". I've had many enjoyable conversations with baristas around SoCal about different beans, roasts, processes, etc. so I was excited to try a new place. I asked the lady behind the counter (a tall, short haired blond woman) if they sold a lighter roast that's gone through anaerobic fermentation. She said they don't sell those beans but that their "natural processed beans are basically the same thing." She then explained to me why that was. Of course she was was wrong but I didn't offer a rebuttal. My next question was, "If I buy a bag of beans will you comp me a cup of coffee?" I often like to take home a new bag of beans to try something different. Most of my favorite roasters (Moongoat, Insit, Hidden House, Sur, High Tide, etc) will comp a cup if I buy a bag so I didn't think that was a bad question. She responded with a condescending "yah, we don't do that." So, I said "OK, how about just a cup of your lightest roast." I asked if they'd could put a small coffee in a medium cup and add their roomtemp water to the top. She responded with her most condescending tone yet, "you know, how about you let me be the expert here. Why ruin our coffee. I'll just put in an ice cube." There you have it. Needless to say, I won't be back.

Not a huge fan of the coffee, but it wasn't bad. I got an Ethiopian drip. It had a fruity flavor but not the traditional coffee taste that I enjoy. Again, it's wasn't bad, but if you want traditional coffee try a different variety. The atmosphere was relaxed, they have a bathroom and staff is friendly.

This is a coffee house that you can get a regular coffee or espresso which the guy with the beard will tell you" the espresso is What We're Known for!" I asked about other types of Carmel, chocolate coffee and they said it's not what he drinks but they have it. I'll try and espresso next time but this time We ordered a dark chocolate and a Carmel coffee and they both had no different flavor.

After finishing my cycling class, I felt eager to explore a new coffee shop that happened to be conveniently located just downstairs. I decided to give it a try, and I'm so glad I did! I ordered a masala chai latte with almond milk, and it was absolutely delightful, totaling $6. The warmth of the service truly stood out; everyone was so friendly and patient while I took my time perusing the menu, especially since it was my first visit. The atmosphere of the coffee shop was peaceful and well-kept, with beautiful views that made the experience even more enjoyable. It felt like a little haven, and I left feeling refreshed and grateful for that quiet moment amidst the bustling day.

First time at this location, usually frequent Manhattan Beach and the pacific palisades one. Large space inside, by the windows, and outside seating with heaters available. 90 min free parking. Hard to miss with their signature yellow umbrellas/awning. Decaf is great. Not bitter or acidic. We've gotten their very minty mocha thrice now!

I came to Caffe Luxxe with two goals: to get some serious studying done and enjoy amazing coffee - and this place nailed both! The café is located in a charming shopping plaza surrounded by restaurants and shops, making it a nice spot to take breaks and explore. I went on the weekend and found free street parking, which was a bonus! The Caffè Nico I ordered was fantastic. Smooth, rich, and comforting - exactly what I needed to power through my study session. But what truly stole the show were their coffee beans. I picked up the Montenero Blend, and wow, it's easily one of the best coffee beans I've ever had in my life. The flavor profile is bold yet balanced, making every cup at home feel like a luxury café experience. Yes, the beans are a bit pricey, but there are occasional discounts online, so keep an eye out! Service was fast and attentive and we got our drinks super quick! If you're looking for high-quality coffee and a cozy spot to work or relax, Caffe Luxxe is a must-visit. I'll definitely be back for both the coffee and the beans!

If you're looking for a great coffee spot with a view, Caffe Luxxe at 2nd & PCH is a must-visit. They have seating facing the marina, making it the perfect place to sip on your coffee while soaking in the scenery. I tried their Caffè Shakerato, and wow--it's so good! It comes chilled, shaken over ice, and with a touch of chocolate drizzle that takes it to another level. The barista mentioned it's one of their most popular drinks, and I can totally see why. The interior is modern and spacious, making it a great spot to relax or get some work done. Definitely a place I'd come back to!

Came in to grab coffee before my appointment with my chiropractor and I was welcomed with some bubbly faces from the morning crew. They recommended one of their signature drinks the Cafe Nico which would usually scare me, but it's subtle and not overpowering which I enjoy.

Great spot to grab a latte to go while shopping at 2nd and pch. Nice and helpful barista and the girl ringing me up was super friendly. Cute coffee shop and excellent latte. Love the coffee art

Caffe Luxxe is a modern beach cafe right by the marina within the 2nd & PCH mall. It has a nice vibe in there, but as I went there to study, them not having their own WiFi was a bit of a problem for me. I had to use the mall WiFi which doesn't work. Unfortunately i did have to leave early because of that. The coffee itself is good! If you're just stopping by, I'm sure it's a great place to meet up with friends.

Let me tell you this place has the best pastries I've ever had. We're not sure where they sourced them, but the food is delicious. I came for the pour over because I heard this was the best place in Long Beach to get them. I would have to agree, not only are the prices reasonable, but the quality is amazing and the beans, freshly roasted and ground. The barista's were very busy, but they took their time making some of the best coffee I've ever had. It was nice to be able to relax and just enjoy the ambience and small talk with my group. What a wonderful experience thank you Caffe Luxxe.

Ok now i love it here even more my sweet boy goes crazy for pup cups lol. Guess this will be added to my order going forward.

I've been to this Caffe Luxxe location a few times and have always been happy. The staff is super nice and very helpful. My drink is always made so quick. For instance, the last time I came here I ordered and the other girl in the back had already made it before I had paid. Amazing. They are known for sourcing and making their own roast of coffees. And its all done locally. However, I just stick with their matcha which is pretty good here. I love the vibe here. They have plenty of tables and chairs and free WiFi to work. They even have a nice outdoor seating area as well. It's definitely a good coffee spot to check out.

Caffe Luxxe is a very nice stop for good espresso drinks in a mall/shopping plaza setting. The staff is friendly and work quickly to serve. If you are familiar with their other locations in southern California you will appreciate their product consistency. Their menu has your typical espresso-type drinks, a drip, Chai, and a nice assortment of bakery goodies. The espresso pulls is above average with a nice balance of aroma and intensity. There isn't anything exceptionally special here, but everything is displayed and served well. Parking is free for the first 90 minutes in this shopping plaza.

#125 in my Coffeeshop Chronicles. I met some friends here for a weekend coffee date. It's a cute area for sure, but I have little interest in returning, not when there are more excellent coffeeshops nearby, with better service no less. I ordered the Caffe Nico, a latte with candied orange, half and half, and cinnamon. Sounds interesting right? Unfortunately, the drink they handed me was utterly disappointing, and was basically a flavorless steamed milk with a hint of espresso. I usually hate adding sugar packets to what are supposed to be already-flavored lattes, but my drink desperately needed it. I returned to the counter to ask a question about my drink, and let's just say service could have been friendlier. Honestly, the only positive I can think of was the pastry - unlike the coffee, the guava cream cheese pastry was pretty good, the only thing that was. ****************** My Ratings: 1 Star: Terrible; just thinking about it makes me angry. 2 Stars: Wasn't a fan so Not likely to return. 3 Stars: Meh. Average. Might return if others drag me. 4 Stars: Yum! Likely to return. 5 Stars: Amazing! Would plan my day around it.

Came here on a Saturday morning. It was really quick service and the inside is clean. The baristas seemed nice. Got the iced chai with oat milk and the oat matcha. The oat matcha was decent. I've had better and worse. Really nothing stood out. The iced chai was not great. The chai was very weak- did not taste of freshly brewed tea. While it didn't taste bad, I would not recommend it. I don't drink coffee, so I can't speak on it but their tea options are scarce and not great. I'm guessing this place is better for coffee drinkers since it had a lot of patrons.

Great choice for a group of us to catch up. There were about 9 of us for a table to sit with coffee and fresh baked goodies to enjoy. I ordered a cup of Cafe Nico which was a perfect blend with the almond crescent. Parking was easy, lots of it across if you can't find a spot on the street front. Clean place and service was the extra star! This is a keeper!

This cafe is located on the 1st floor of 2nd & PCH. They are the outside by the marina. They have 2 hr parking and 90 mins parking free in the garage. They have indoor and outdoor seating, but their only outlets inside. They use the 2nd & PCH wifi so it is slower. They do have their own bathroom. The cafe aesthetic is modern. I notice many people come here for work meetings. The menu is minimalistic and not very many options. I wish they had more coffee drinks. I got the caffe Nico which suppose to have a hint of orange but I didn't taste at all and this coffee was more bitter and over roasted. However, the latte art is cute. It's interesting how you tell the barista first your order then the cashier. The co-owner was super informative explaining the coffee. I think the staff could be bit more friendlier and nicer as they just exist to do their job and don't really make conversation with their customer. The attitude just came off snobbish. I would only come back to this cafe if I was shopping in 2nd & PCH.

Freshly roasted coffee beans, fresh pastries, gourmet coffee and tea based drinks. Service is sometimes slow, trendy environment. Their Montenero beans are the best coffee I have ever tasted. They need to have two cashiers and more help as the wait can be long.

After trying a new gym spot, I wanted a quick coffee and snack. I stumbled upon Caffe Luxxe. I was instantly greeted as I walked to the pastry case. I asked for some recommendations and opted with the Caffe Nico latte and a feta, olive, zaatar croissant. The latte was so good! I love that the flavors are different than most places I've been. The candied orange and cinnamon are perfect without being overwhelmingly sweet. The croissant was also unique! I loved the olive and croissant mix. I would've never thought to put these flavors together but it works magically! I sat for a while and enjoyed some quiet time. There is a good amount of seating either indoor or outdoor. I can't wait to return!

Unusable wifi and no cell towers. For me this makes this coffee shop 2-stars. 4 stars is more fair for a broad rating. Staff is pleasant and good at what they do. The espresso drinks are actually fantastic and the food options are ok (reasonable for a coffee shop). The place would be comfortable to hang out for a while but make this spot a social engagement vs a work spot. You can't do any work here due to the lack of Internet. You can't even use your wifi hotspot because there are no decent cell towers close (I have T-Mobile - may be different w/ AT&T, Verizon).

Yeah Long Beach is great, this mall is so cute, but what good is all of that if you don't even grab a coffee to start it off? Caffe Luxxe is your place for a quick coffee run before you go galavanting into the cute vibes and outdoor mall right outside. The flavors are decent, caffeine is sufficient, and the decor is modern. What more can you ask for in a coffee shop? And what more can I add to a simple review like this?

First time trying this place and WOW! Their coffee and customer service were superb! Coffee was creamy, delicious and so smooth! We tried their signature coffees (Caffe Nico, Caffe Frizzante) and limited edition Caffe Amore. They were all perfect! Their customer service was was also wonderful. There was a line when we came but it moved pretty quickly. They had a system in place even with only 3 people working. Quality and Service thumbs up!

Didn't know what to expect from this place, but really love the service and the coffee and pastries! Wandered in around 2:30 on a Wednesday and it was pretty busy! I ordered the cafe Nico and made it an oat milk latte and I like it! The flavor is subtle and not overly sweet, so if sweet Starbucks drinks are your thing, you may think twice about this place. Interesting because the drinks feel very hand crafted and unique but the environment and ambiance of the cafe feels very sterile and industrial with the grey walls and yellow pops of color to warm it up. The acoustics aren't fantastic -- when you pull out the chair, the chair scrapes against the floor pretty loudly. I ordered the feta, olive, zaatar croissant and it was awesome! They also had other unique pastries like banana almond chocolate, which I will definitely try next time. The person who rang me up was sweet. There was someone who came in who had some mental health issues and she and the barista were kind to him and gave him a drink on the house - it looked like they knew him. Definitely would stop by for a coffee and pastry, but may sit outdoors or elsewhere for a less sterile environment.

Came here to grab a cup of coffee and water after rollerskating (right next door). I ordered a hot caramello and asked for a cup of water. The line was short when we arrived so we got our drinks fairly quickly. After we got our drinks, a big rush of people came in and formed a long line so our timing was impeccable. We sat outside in their patio area. It was a warm, sunny day so it was perfect for sitting outside! There wasn't a lot of foot traffic past our table so it was a great place to chat and drink coffee! I really enjoyed the coffee as well as the location. Definitely will be revisiting!

Caffe Luxxe became one of our favorite locations because of their authenticity to the coffee taste in their drinks. Located in PCH and 2nd St, this coffee shop is a must try for those who enjoy that bitterness in their drinks. The place has a variety of options...a ton of them! But we have a specific go to drink: the Shakerato! There only option is iced and it's made up of espresso, milk (oat for us), and dark chocolate. It's hand shaken and you have the option to add a cream foam top. It's definitely not a sweet drink, it has that richness and bitterness of dark chocolate and coffee, and softened with a smooth oat from the milk. It's like drinking elevated chocolate milk with caffeine! The barista also recommended Caffee Nico, which we are going to try when we return. They also provide pastries and have their own brand of coffee if you enjoy their taste! The setting of this shop is very modern and it's by the Marina, making it visually appealing. We highly recommend this place for the coffee lovers or those looking to get into coffee!

The espresso is definitely Italian style which not everyone can enjoy. The Cortado is on the 3:1 scale, so not exactly a true Cortado. I couldn't enjoy the strength of the espresso because it was on the over extracted/DARK side. The shop is cute and has a lot of nice things available for purchase. The banana croissant was great. Service was friendly and knowledgeable.

Cute space, modern decor, a busy stream of people. Had a great time, and they were very friendly and hospitable. Coffee aroma was transcending from down the hallway. Love the yellow accents!

Happy to have an outpost of this fancier coffee shop come down to the LBC. Friendly staff, interesting bites and pastries, clean and modern space. Did I mentioned that Yellow is my favorite color?

Trendy coffee shop with delicious coffee. My oatmilk latte was outstanding. The interior is very chic and modern and minimalist. They sell some cute, gift type items as well.

Very organized service, they have reusable plates and cups if you are staying in. Wooden utensils for eating. Nice variety of loose leaf teas. And the decorative touch on your latte. All the things Starbucks doesn't have. Very loud inside though if you're sensitive to that it's like a concrete echo chamber. Outside is lovely. The veggie quiche is all broccoli but good, could use some salt and pepper or hot sauce on it. Don't try to eat any of the pastries in your car it's crumb city so flaky and delicious though messy.

This is the best neighborhood coffee shop. All the employees are extremely engaging and friendly. Location is always clean. Pastries always tasting fresh. And the baristas always making their drinks with love. Thank you

Honestly if it wasn't for the Yelp experience in the past I wouldn't keep coming back to Caffe Luxxe when I'm in this area! So I need to thank the Yelp team for introducing me to this hopping place with great indoor and outdoor seating....GREAT STAFF! Especially GREAT coffee...... Place is clean and laid out very well enough space for the crowd to wait... I'm not sure why I never wrote a review though after all the times I've been here.... Coming back again soon!

I've only tried their cappuccino with half and half so far but it was delicious, bold, and velvety. They had plenty of comfy outdoor seating to relax as a well as some indoor seating.

The coffee at this shop is high quality, and their pastries (especially the apricot roll) are delicious! Lots of room to sit inside, and a wonderful patio outside. Free parking at the street!

Espresso and Caffe Shakerrato were really good. Friendly service Place is inviting and good assortment of pastries.

Ambiance: spacious and bright coffee shop, cozy outdoor dining table, the establishment is part of the mall, and first ninety minutes parking is free and no validation is required at the moment Service: very friendly and patient with specific requests, provided useful suggestions Drink: quite few options on menu, most drinks can be served either hot or cold Caramel Latte - **** iced coffee, inviting latte with a hint of sweet caramel, insert the coffee capsule into the dolce gusto machine, very creamy and refreshing taste, recommend Price: premium quality and reasonable prices, each drink costs about $5

I was here several months back as I was in the area visiting my dear friend. I thought I drop by Caffe Luxxe to pick up some caffe. I'm actually not much of a coffee drinker, but I do like a mean frape or latte. Caffe Nico with no rocks was my choice for the day. I really like this drink... it's very smooth, has a sweeter taste than what I've tried in the past, and the cinnamon flavor is fantastic... just comes through very nicely! Staff was very friendly and pleasant. Service was quick. Quality is sublime. Prices are very reasonable... about $5 - $6 per drink. Ambiance is very bright and inviting. Love the open space. It has indoor seating as well as outside patio seating. It's right across the street from the Long Beach harbor. Great place to hang out with family and friends and enjoy a cup of caffe delight! Love to return for more of the same deliciousness! Happy Caffe'ing!

One of my favorite places for coffee in the LB area. I first came here for a Yelp event, but have since been back multiple times. My favorite drink is the cafe nico with oat milk. It's almost like a Spanish latte. I've also had their sandwich and muffins which are pretty decent. Service is fast as workers are quick with making the drinks. They're super friendly and personable.

This place is totally amazing! Coffee is great. Pastries are awesome! I ended up waiting in line for a while because I was behind a pretty indecisive guy. They asked me what my drink order was while I was waiting in line and had it ready before I even had a chance to pay. They ended up just telling me it was on the house for my wait. That is amazing service that I did not expect. Most companies it is like pulling teeth to get them to do anything when you are inconvenienced. These guys have it down.. Also, the look in the feel of the place was great!

Love Caffee Luxxe! The barista's here are so stylish!Fresh baked goods, delicious coffee and a great atmosphere whether you sit inside or outside. The quality is in every sip and bite, you can't go wrong with everything they have. A great spot to start your morning!

Stopped in yesterday before grabbing lunch elsewhere. I ordered an iced vanilla cappuccino and my husband ordered a mocha. We were both very pleased with our orders. We are visiting from out of town and my parents have a Starbucks next to them and I was dying to have something that wasn't all sugar and containing zero coffee. This place hit the spot! My cappuccino was perfect. The staff/barista knew what they were doing. There's lots of space, I like the decor, and gift items you can purchase. Moreover they are quick, very nice and didn't cringe when they saw us walk in with two toddlers. :)

This place was such a vibe! Right when you walk in, you feel the coziness of the location with lots of seating areas. The staff was so nice and made some excellent recommendations a. Definitely check out the pain suisse. The pastry was crispy and so flakey on the outside and the chocolate was so warm and gooey (make sure to asked for it warmed up. I also ordered and iced cafe Nico and it was delicious. It was not too sweet and paired perfectly with the pastry.

Great spot. High quality drinks and bakery items. Their variety of drip coffee is awesome, as well as their speciality drinks Iike the nico. Ambiance is pretty great. You're right next to the harbor and there's plenty of seating inside and outside of the caffe. There's also free 2hour parking or there's parking lots. The lots offer feee parking for 90mins but you have to pay after that. The baristas are always really nice, knowledgeable and personable. The line can get long but it's worth waiting if you want a latte that isn't overly sugary or a high quality, locally toasted coffee

Nice coffeehouse with a beautiful view of the water across the street. Great place for a great latte and view. Everyone was very kind and friendly, very posh atmosphere.

I really do like this coffee shop. Thus, I give 5 stars. With that said, PCH and 2nd Free WiFi is a 50/50 chance it works. Again it didn't work this morning and so again I'm left with being discouraged that I cannot stay.

My first visit was during a Yelp Elite event. I really do like this cafe. The staff is really friendly and they have tons of beverage choices (hot and cold) to choose from. Parking available- The easiest way to access is by parking on the street on Marina; short term parking spots (30 minutes or less)

The vegan cookie is delicioso! The coffee is sooo strong . If you need a strong cup of joe this is the place lol I needed to mix my black cold brew with some cream because it was so rich, so I went with their latte that has the orange and cinnamon notes. Service here is great too!

Love the open area design of this particular cafe. Upon entering I was greeted by a welcoming barista. I arrived just 30 minutes after the opened, and immediately noticed they were literally unpacking fresh pastries. By way of one of the baristas' recommendation as it was my first time I ordered an ice Cafe Nico with almond milk. Smooth flavor with a hint of coffee loved this beverage. In addition I tried their fresh ginger snap cookies that were packaged beautifully. First bite it was soft and you can taste the traditional flavor reminiscent of the Nabisco ginger snaps,they were delicious. Next time I will get a side of cold cup of milk. In addition I had their cream filled pastry topped with shaved almonds. The filling was a pleasant surprise it had a custard consistency. Loved it. I was able to log into a free local WiFi and had no issues utilizing the connection to get some work done. I was able to even charge my computer thus I took advantage of an open outlet. Inside there was plenty of bench style comfortable seating, addition to tables and a small bar seating for friends. Outdoor on their patio host an array of additional tables seating with umbrellas as well. Nice friendly vibes inside, the baristas were fun lovely lively group. Overall I really had a very nice stay in this particular cafe. I will definitely place this one on my favorites list.

Went here for a Yelp Elite and love it so much I had to come back :) Took my nieces cuz we were looking for a cute and quiet study spot. Customer Service: Kris and Brett were very welcoming and helpful. Kris explained the whole menu to my nieces and provided wonderful recommendations as well. They both checked on us while we studied to make sure the pastries and coffees were delicious and asked if we needed anything. Parking: You can park in the 2nd & PCH parking lot. The 1st 90 minutes are free but there is no validation so then you will pay by hour. If you get lucky you can park across the street in the marina parking. I would highly recommend you come here if you're looking for a good study spot with wonderful customer service, good coffee and delicious pastries. Looking forward to coming back!!!

A great coffee shop, with all the espresso drinks, I've tried two lattes, the espresso, baristas are friendly and offer recommendations, I change my drink every visit, in order to experience the entire menu. The interior is inviting, and I like the interesting merch they have on the table. Not your typical stuff. I'll be back.

Really good hot chocolate for a rainy day. My friend and I came to this cafe after lunch. It was so relaxing. We also split a pain suisse.