Tinys Milk & Cookies - Austin

A must in Austin! Yummy cookies & treats! This location is very cute & aesthetic, but I will say if you're looking for a cheap treat, this isn't your place. However, they know their worth! We visited 2x in our weekend trip & will definitely return! We got several orders of chocolate chip cookies, a strawberry lemonade, & ice cream. Before leaving town, we also picked up a dozen frozen cookie dough so we can have this goodness at home! Be prepared for no seating, it is a simple to-go window! There is typically always a line so be prepared to stand for a second but one you try this goodness, you'll understand!

We got to try Tiny's Milk and Cookies for the first time the other day! It's located in the cutest little shopping area, with a farmstyle, country-vibe aesthetic. It's a walk-up, outdoor counter without any chairs or tables to sit at. It was drizzling out, but that didnt stop a line from forming in the rain on a Saturday afternoon. We ordered a chocolate chip cookie, 2 brownies, and a scone, and it took just about a minute to come out. It's a bit pricey for what it is, but that's to be expected from a little stand like this. The cookie and brownies are basic but still good. For the price, I would want to try something more unique next time. Not sure that the basic items are worth what they're charging.

Dangerously delicious pastry and ice cream! The mint chocolate chip ice cream is the best I've had in town. You can taste the fresh herb (rather than the boring artificial flavor). I also tried the honey bun this time, and it was good! It is more like kouign amann rather than a bread bun. So good! Super flakey and buttery.

May 2025 Every time I drove by Kerbey Lane Village shopping center I saw a line of people towards the back and after three trip by it stopped to see what it was. It turned out to be Tiny's Milk & Cookies nested in the identical farmhouse style buildings. Luckily there was no line so was able to study the menu offerings and decided to try a Chocolate Chip Cookie, Blueberry Muffin, Cinnamon Roll, and a Brownie. I already had a coffee with me so didn’t need to order another one. The staff is super friendly and even though only a walk-up place it had great atmosphere. All of the items tasted really good and delightful. The blueberry muffin was so soft and flavor-able. The cinnamon roll was huge and also addicting to eat where had a slight lemony taste to it. The chocolate chip cookie was much better than local branded rivals and the brownie was very chocolaty. Like I said before it was so good.

One of my absolute favorite bakeries in Austin for chocolate chip cookies! (My 5 Stars is solely for the chocolate chip cookies) You have to go and get them when they’re hot. They literally melt in your mouth and it is their best item on the menu. Grab a glass of milk to make it extra special! Be prepared after school let out for them to have a wait, but it is worth it.

Came here on a whim, we stopped on the way home from a long commute and it was the perfect afternoon pick me up! The area that Tiny’s is in is really beautiful and relaxing, with multiple cute buildings and flowers/greenery all around. The lady who took our order was really sweet and helpful. We got two chocolate chip cookies and the milk and cookies ice cream. The ice cream was so so delicious and the cookies were perfectly sweet and chewy. There’s no indoor seating, but there’s short stone benches nearby where we sat and enjoyed our sweet treats. Overall it’s the perfect cute date spot, and the ice cream is a must try!

We came too late, all the savory items have been sold out, which is such a pity( we literally came at 12:30, and not expect that to happen, perhaps next time we need to be earlier to get some good food!) Instead of savory croissants, we ordered a scoop of ice cream, and it’s very good! Mint chocolate chips! And it tastes like real mint. We also ordered vanilla scone, but is a bit too dry without any drinks.

Pretty good pastries especially the chocolate croissant. Felt that the donuts were a bit overpriced though as there was nothing special in comparison to a normal donut. I also didn’t like how the prices for any of the items weren’t displayed anywhere to see. No seating as well, so if you want to sit you have to sit on a stone ledge nearby

When I say I've had Tinys in my bookmarks of places to visit in Austin, it's been there for almost 7 years. I can't believe it's taken me this long because I'm such a sucker for coffee and pastries, but I happened to take a pilates class nearby so it was the perfect opportunity. The girl who took my order was so sweet and friendly, so service is impeccable. She recommended the matcha latte sweetened with honey lavender, which I actually wouldn't recommend. I do think it was sweet and tasted good, but it wasn't considered good by the standards of someone who loves matcha. However, that doesn't take away from my rating because I don't think Tinys is known for their coffee. The pastries were so delicious. I ordered a chocolate chip cookie and a chocolate croissant, and they warmed up the cookie for me! So sweet and delectable, and the chocolate croissant was even better than the cookie. I'm a fiend for chocolate croissants, but one of my biggest issues is that you don't always get chocolate in every bite. Tinys has figured out how to solve that problem by drizzling chocolate all over the croissant, so you'll get a good bite every time. I can't wait to come back again!

Definitely a place that's better suited for its baked goods. I had the banana chocolate chip muffin and my friend got the chocolate chip cookie. Both were great, but the drinks were iffy. I had a vanilla oat milk latte, and my friends an iced chai with their house almond milk and a hot caramel oat milk latte. Nothing fanatical about the coffees, the drink orders came out pretty fast despite the long line. They went heavy on the syrups for the chai and caramel drinks, so we actually ended up throwing away the caramel one :( Very small parking lot that is shared with several other businesses. We ended up parking on the street adjacent to the building. Also veeryyy limited seating, no tables, just a bench under a tree. Overall, I would visit again for a quick sweet treat but grab a coffee from somewhere else.

The chocolate chip cookies are the best, especially when they just came out of the oven. You can smell the sweetness linger in the air and pull you closer to their ordering window long before you set your sights upon all the delicious offerings. I love their chocolate chip cookies, but their pastries are good too. Their brownie is decadent and super chocolatey but I prefer taking it home to warm it up. Their coffee is good too. Can't go wrong here!

Yes, loved it here! LOVED the strawberry lemonade and the traditional lemonade - tasted so fresh. Ice cream was bomb - my personal favorite was the strawberry (not too milky or sweet and not too tart). Ended with a chocolate chip cookie which was also bomb. Such a large selection- great place to bring friends or a date in the summer!! Not much outdoor seating but enough to enjoy the outdoors and eat a treat. Can't wait to come back!

I stumbled upon here looking for some bakeries nearby my job to bring some sweets to work and I was not disappointed. All I have had was the chocolate chip cookies and that's all I need to write this review. I love tiffs treat but this is my official new favorite cookie. Soft and chewy but not so soft it falls apart immediately. I even dunked them in some milk at home and it was fantastic. Parking can be chaotic, which is not fault of their own but just makes it challenging to swing by if you're in a rush because you may end up searching for a spot for 5 minutes. However service itself is fast, the staff are personable. I will go out of my way to come back and try some other of their baked goods.

Thursday 7/25/2024 Yet another spot I found when doing my "best cinnamon rolls in Austin" research. I got a cinnamon roll $5.25, chocolate chip cookie $3, and a milk & cookies ice cream prepacked pint $9 (prepacked on 7/21). - The cinnamon roll was pretty good. The icing & bread were solid but I think it could've been a bit better with more of a cinnamon taste but as is I'd give it a 8/10. - The chocolate chip cookie was a decent cookie but it's nothing crazy or impressive to me. I'd probably give it a flat 7/10. - The milk & cookies ice cream (prepacked) pint was a very mid and underwhelming taste experience. In order to try the ice cream, I had to get the prepacked pint because they weren't selling ice cream until another 1-2 hours (11 am). Also the rating I would give it would be around 5/10. Overall, it was a decent experience and the main reason it's not getting a 5 star is due to how disappointing and wack the ice cream was for me. I'd definitely recommend and return for that cinnamon roll tho.

I found this cute place on Yelp. It's very cute and it has cute shops around it. The lady who took our order was very kind and helpful. She gave us samples of ice cream and explained the ingredients that was in everything we sampled. We tried a coconut chocolate ice cream that was so delicious. I couldn't help but ordered a dozen of chocolate chip cookies. Omg this cookie was so soft with chocolate chips in almost every bite. It's a must to come here for a sweet treat.

Great little dessert stop! I had a chocolate chip cookie with a Tiny scoop of the Vanilla Caramel Crunch for $7.58. The cookie was still crispy on the outside, warm gooey inside and the ice cream was delicious. The serving was enough for 2 people to hit the spot, or 1 person with a sweet tooth like me.

Came to try chocolate chip cookie. It was a bit on the sweeter side, more than I would have liked. If the cookie is not warm, go heat it up at home. It will taste amazing. Walk up to the window & place your order. In a really cute shopping center in case you want to do some shopping after.

Best chocolate chip cookies (when warm) in Austin, and really, most anywhere. we have bought the cookie dough twice, most recently earlier today. Very easy to follow instructions and they come out perfect. It is important to let them sit a bit where they will be overly soft. Bought this fudge like cookie/brownie that's also phenomenal (and very dense, in a good way). This place has a variety of cookies, and I believe they also have some hot and cold drinks, but have not tried those yet. Friendly folks at the counter. Inexpensive would not be a word to describe this place, but the cookies are so good, my comment would be "oh well, deliciousness comes at a price sometimes."

This place is incredible. The staff were sweet and patient while I excitedly asked all the questions and contemplated all the options (because they all sounded so good). We got two warm, melty, ooey-gooey chocolate chip cookies, the milk and cookies flavored ice cream, the vanilla caramel crunch ice cream, and a scone for the next day (don't judge, it was a rough week). Oh my god. Absolutely amazing. Rich, luscious, and chocolatey cookies, served warm? Nothing beats that. The ice cream was also fantastic. We LOVED it. We are already planning a return trip and we can't wait to try more pastries.

I took a day trip to Austin and was wanting a dessert and we decided to stop by Tiny's. love coming to Tiny's, the workers are always so friendly and nice and they are also very informative if you have any questions about anything on the menu. We decided to get our all time favorite ice cream, vanilla caramel crunch and they were also serving strawberry lemonade. I've always been a fan of strawberry lemonade and it was a super hot day so I decided to give it a try, I would say it was pretty refreshing, there was a hint of mint in there which was nice but I wasn't sure there was supposed to be mint in it since it wasn't advertised. But still it was pretty good and I enjoyed it.

their banana chocolate chip muffin is so yum! i also like their vanilla and pumpkin latte. tiny's is a great option for a sweet treat. definitely want to come back to try their ice cream. super cute walk up window in a nice area

Came by to grab a quick scoop of ice cream. Pleasant service and very cute little shop! Didn't see any area for seating. Was also located in a small plaza with a private parking lot. I got the fresh strawberry ice cream and it was alright in my opinion since i like desserts in the sweeter side. Perfect if you like it in the middle where it's not too sweet and tarty. Would come back to try the cookies!

Best chocolate chip cookie I've had in Austin so far! So perfectly warm and gooey, it's everything you could want in a cookie. I also love the cute little walk up they have and the service is fast!

Great cookies -- and very creative sugar cookie designs -- in spite of the outdoor lines, which we've waited in during a 25 degree freeze and a 105 degree heat spell. They often run out of the same cookies early in the day. So they can use some inventory planning to have more on hand of what they run out of early and perhaps less on hand of what they have plenty of late in the day.

My favorite cookie place! I can't stop thinking about the cookies long after I've left Austin. Their other pastries are great too.

Amazing cookies!! The chocolate chip ones especially are insanely good and what they are most famous for. It is extremely quick and easy to take some to go as they are served at the counter and handed to you on the spot. I have also dinned at the restaurant and it is incredible and you can get these cookies as a dessert. This is a great was to get a quick treat. You can see all the cookies on the shelf as you ordered to get exactly what you want.

Our first time trying out Tiny's Milk & Cookies. We were very much in love with the flavors. I had the cookies and cream ice cream and Morse had the strawberry sorbet. He couldn't get enough of it. We also got chocolate chip cookies to go!

Amazing cookies and super cute location! I wish parking was a bit easier... but totally worth it!!!

They have a special name for this dessert, but it is a warm chocolate chip cookie with ice cream on top; they use real mint in their mint chocolate chip, which was awesome. I also got the seasonal peppermint

I do love going to an establishment and getting treated with kindness and respect. The ladies working there are ready to serve and greet with kindness. Since it was the first time, I was a bit nervous not knowing what to expect nor order. The ladies were helpful answering my seemingly insignificant questions. But they were patient and friendly answering all my questions. Please stop by and see friendly faces while having a tasty treat.

Went here to grab some bites the other day. I got one of their scones, a morning bun, and a ham/cheese croissant and coffee. The scone didn't really taste like much, the texture was nice but I wished the flavors came out stronger. The morning bun was by far my fav! And I loved the coffee too, these use the lil ice cubes. This is walk up so they don't have seating but you don't really need it, there are plenty of parking spaces and a lil spot for bike parking I thought was cool. Service was nice though it took longer than I was expecting to prepare some pastries and coffee but I would come again to try some more things and that morning bun again!

Soooo good! We are visiting from Fort Worth and staying in the Bryker woods neighborhood and let's just say we haven't missed a night at Tinys. I'm thankful we don't have one of these in our neighborhood because I just can not resist it!!! The warm chocolate chip cookie is probably the best cookie I've had! And the in house made almond milk is delicious. My husband gets the milk and cookies ice cream and says it's the best ice cream he's ever had! Safe to say we'll be returning every time we come down to Austin!

I have mixed thoughts on Tiny's cookies. First off, it cost $25 for 6 cookies and a small cup of milk seems steep. Were the cookies tiny? No. So at least size-wise they seemed worth it. Next, the shop itself is super cute and the team is very nice. Quick service, and happy to help you pick out your cookies. Not a large menu, really only 2 kinds of cookies (with gluten free option): chocolate chip or sugar. They do have other options, but I stuck with the cookies (since they were also out of several things around mid-day on a Saturday) Ok, so I love a place that focuses on the few things they're known for and I'm willing to pay plenty for a good cookie. However, the quality of the cookies was not worth it compared to other cookies / bakeries in the area*. The * is for the one note exception - I took the cookies home and heated them in the oven (as they were not served from the store very warm at all) and THAT made the chocolate chip cookies quite good along with some milk. The sugar cookies were just for looks, didn't love the taste. Overall, there are other cookie places that I'd go to over Tiny's, but the chocolate chip cookies when properly warmed were quite good (just a bit pricy imo).

Tiny's Bakery in Austin is a must-try for anyone who loves pastries and coffee. The croissants are flaky and buttery, and the vanilla ice latte is creamy and flavorful. The service is friendly and attentive, and the bakery is very clean and inviting. I would highly recommend Tiny's Bakery to anyone looking for a great place to enjoy pastries and coffee in Austin. Here are some specific things that I liked about Tiny's Bakery: Flaky and buttery croissants Creamy and flavorful vanilla ice latte Friendly and attentive service Clean and inviting bakery I would definitely go back to Tiny's Bakery again. It is a great place to enjoy pastries and coffee with friends or family.

My family and I were out driving around looking at the Christmas lights and my husband suggested that we stop and try Tiny's Milk and Cookies. We pulled up to the parking lot and saw a lit up window with people working inside. My family went to look at what they offered. The inside of the building looked bright and clean and you could see different cookies and other sweets displayed on the back wall. When it was our turn to order we went up to the window and were greeted politely. I decided to try a chocolate chip cookie and a brownie. I also ordered some almond milk. It seemed as though they were confused when I ordered the milk as they use the milks for coffee but they said I could get it. The cookie was so good. It was warm and gooey. The almond milk was the perfect drink to even out the super sweet taste from the cookie. The brownie was warm and soft but the cookie was absolutely delicious. It's a cool little place.

A sweet tooth window... sign me up! So I hadn't heard of Tinys Milk & Cookies until my bestie was like (aka screaming) "I need ice cream now" lol. We were in the area so we did a quick detour to here. Let me tell y'all, their ice cream is like liquid crack. I had their milk and cookies flavor (mom's vanilla ice cream, chocolate chip cookie chunks) and mint chocolate chip (fresh mint ice cream, dark chocolate chips). To break down the two ice cream flavors I had, these were my absolute fave. I also tried the vanilla caramel crunch, but that one has nuts in it so I had a very small allergic reaction (but tbh that flavor was so good I would've ordered it if I could lol). The milk and cookies was fresh and it was almost like they managed to make it actual milk flavor with a hint of sweetness. They use their famous cookies in the crunch and it was the perfect combo. As for their mint chocolate chip- screw the artificial mint flavor. Their mint chocolate chip had actual mint flavor and it was so fresh and light. I was delighted with every bite (or spoonful more rather). For those of y'all who might be looking for more of a natural flavor this is the one to order. With my sweet tooth being in full throttle, I also had a few of their donut holes which are only sold until 2pm'ish (or sold out). These were fresh and so fluffy! The one major regret I have though is not having an actual chocolate chip cookie. My friend bought one and as I kept smelling it in the car, I tried to sneak a bite. That did not happen. So now this memory of a freshly baked cookie with ooey gooey bites and chocolate chunks will forever linger in my brain. Until I go back to Tinys that is...

Some of the best baked goods-- scones specifically-- in town. My mother-in-law didn't even think scones this good were possible!

Wow just freaking delicious! We came here after dinner for a late night craving. The cookie was the best I've ever had, just completely melted in my mouth. We were like 2 kids at a candy shop. No place to sit so best to just pick up and go for a walk in the neighborhood.

Well, I was so depressed the other day, when visiting my local favorite Austin bakery after a long hiatus, and being disappointed. That all changed when my wife told me about a new place in Kirby lane village. Tiny's has a restaurant, which I have yet to try, and a little pastry and coffee stand. Little is an understatement, as the pastries were phenomenal. I looked at the menu and really couldn't figure out what to get. So, I walked up, stood there, and watched as people ordered. Must of been three people in front of me, and they all ordered a bunch of the chocolate chip cookies. I figured, why not try it, even though I am not a big chocolate chip cookie eater these days. One of the best ever I have had. I then saw something that looked delectable, and I was right. It was a Kouign-amann bread, or as called in the states, the muffin version a kouignette. This is not for the faint at heart, when trying this since it is mainly a very rich succulent pastry of dough, butter and sugar. Last place I had one of these was in Japan, and Tiny's beat it hands down. The crust was so flaky and covered with just the right butter glaze, when paired with the chewy doughy inside just melted in your mouth. My depression finally subsided after having a few bites of this, and I must say, I am now addicted as I have returned a number of times for this and some coffee. I also ordered their scone, which was fantastic, full of flavor, and hardly any dryness, which can be a problem with scones. They don't have a huge selection of pastries, but the ones they have are delectable! They also have ice cream and varies coffee drinks, tea, and breakfast sandwiches that are out of this world.

Delicious desserts and kind staff. The location is a little hard to find in a back parking line. Walk up window only.

I love to eat here. It's always delicious and fun to goto the little window, I wish they had more places to sit and enjoy. The coffee is amazing, the cookies are famously good. But the big win for me is the sausage biscuit - seriously eye opening tasty. I could eat a handful of those tiny champions. Yum yum yum. The people are mostly chill just know what you want and you'll be less frustrated.

Great place to walk to on a Saturday morning! Tiny biscuits never disappoint. ALWAYS. GET. A. COOKIE. So so good.

Cookies are smaller. Never hot but offer to microwave. Even Tiff's uses an oven to warm. Definitely not worth the $ or the calories. Big push for a tip when all they are doing is handing you cookies already in a bag. Why?

This place was so adorable! I ended up getting two sugar cookies and a chubby chocolate chip cookie. They were all so incredibly tasty! The cookies are thoughtfully designed for Valentine's Day and the chocolate chip cookie was the most perfect tasting crunchy on the outside, ewey goowy on the outside type cookie I have tasted since my gramma!!! I would burn my tongue eating the fresh out the oven chocolate chip cookies and these definitely brought back childhood memories! 10/10 would highly recommend

Where Santa gets his fix year-round! Watch for a healthy line during peak hours - building up to a cool reward with their cookies & cream ice cream. My favorites (sometimes you have to ask) are the dense and fudgy (better than brownies!) chocolate krinkles and classic chocolate chip cookies. Like mom's, but slightly more sinful. The kids who run the joint are always so friendly and full of good advice if you're struggling to make up your mind. Even the lemon poppyseed bread was delightfully moist, dancing between sweet and tart. No bad choices here!

These cookies are yummy. Soft and chewy; a tad on the sweet side. These are more traditional not the bread like cookie that's also popular. It's also little pricy. A dozen will cost $33 or about $2.75 each. I went in the afternoon when it was raining to avoid the line. As for ambiance, it's more of a pick up window. You stand in line and order and stand to the side as you wait for your order. There are other pastries and drinks as well.

A group of us went at night close to closing, found parking easily in the lot for guests of the tiny businesses in that area, and got our treats with only a 2 minute wait time. I thought the name of the business was some kind of ode to the creators but no- this small chain is literally just a tiny baked goods shop. That being said, the chocolate chip cookie and mint chocolate chip ice cream we got was delicious enough for me to return the next morning and take a half dozen cookies to go. They reheat well!

I stopped by Tiny Boxwoods to pick up a couple of cookies for a treat for a coworker. I walked up to the outside host stand to see if I could go into the restaurant to get the cookies. The hostess informed me that just behind me the next parking lot over was Tiny Milk and Cookies. It was nothing short of the heavens opening up and angels beginning to sing. I had no idea this place had opened. It's probably been open for a few years it's just that I've been a hermit during Covid. What a delightful place! Not only do they have the chocolate chip cookies I was looking for, but they have a multitude of other baked goods, and they have ice cream. So while I picked up a couple of cookies, I also treated myself to some mint chocolate chip ice cream. It is like no mint chocolate chip ice cream you've had before because it tastes so fresh and natural. The mintiest ice cream I've ever had. Anyway, do yourself a favor and stop by this charming little place. The people working this little shop are very friendly and it's so beautifully put together you will really enjoy it. I'll be adding photos soon.

Delicious cookies for the namesake. The chocolate cookie is a must. There is such a great variety of treats here! We love the ice cream and it's a great portion size. The cinnamon roll is great. We miss the kouign amann but the morning bun is a good substitute for the flakey dough. The donut holes and donuts are delicious. If you make it in time for the sausage biscuit get it. It's very tiny but oddly filling. Maybe buy two! But everything is delicious. Wish they had another location up north!

Went with my wife today to get ice cream and cookies.we I got served melted ice cream and an iced mocha that tasted like it was made with dirty trash water.i asked for another ice cream and she gave me attitude also

I almost wanted to keep this place my own little secret! Such a cute hidden gem tucked away off the beaten path, so yummy. I love a fresh baked, thick chocolate chip cookie! Everything I got was great. You just walk up and order, there's no dine in option, not that you'd need it. (I was already trying one of my cookies as soon as she handed it to me)

AMAZING! Staff was so nice! COOKIES WERE amazing and I am a cookie person ! Order a side of milk too makes it better

Everything we got from Tiny's was delicious. We had a cinnamon roll, rosemary cheddar scone, chocolate chip cookie, and blueberry muffin. The cinnamon roll was excellent. So soft and a good amount of cinnamon and icing. The scone was soft and the rosemary was well balanced by the cheddar. The chocolate chip cookie was perfect. So soft all the way through. The muffin had tons of blueberries and a great flavor. We will definitely return for more goodies!

I ordered 2 chocolate chip cookies, 2 blueberry scones, 1 honey bun, 1 cold brew and the total was about $30. Honey bun was down right sinful. The chocolate chip cookies were mediocre. I wish they were warm and they were begging for some flaky salt on top. Over all, place is pricey for just ok baked goods.

I've had countless chocolate chip cookies in Austin and although many have been great, none of them have particularly stuck out to me as they often can be too rich, too buttery, texture can be too chewy, too soft, etc. A truly balanced chocolate chip cookie is hard to come by, but look no further than Tiny's Milk & Cookies because I believe they have the best one in town that I've tried as the flavor and the texture are both balanced very well. ($2.75) I'm not a cookies with milk guy, but felt it was appropriate to also get the house-made almond milk here to dip my cookie into and that wasn't a bad idea. ($2.70 for a kids size) Additionally, you can get chunks of their signature chocolate chip cookie mixed in with their "mom's vanilla ice cream" for one of the most flavorful, delicious ice creams available. Certainly a top 3 in my book! Wow, nicely done. ($4.33 for a single scoop) All in all, Tiny's has left me highly satisfied with no complaints. With that said, I must give them a strong 5/5 for being practically perfect in price, portion, flavor, and texture!

Honestly, I have loved Tinys for a while but after I was BAMBOOZLED into ordering a mint chocolate chip ice cream cone for my sweet treat I may have to reconsider. WORST 4$ I HAVE EVER SPENT. do NOT get that flavor. Waste of money. Waste of calories. WASTE OF MY MF TIME. I'm so mad. False advertising calling this ice cream. Honestly impressive you can botch a flavor that bad. Also ice cream to cone ratio was pathetic.

MY FAVORITE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES! I am a big fan of cookies and Tiny Milk & Cookies have some of the best!! I have been here a few times now and I've enjoyed their coffee and cookies. I am not a fan of the sugar cookies. I love how cute and kind they are! It's a very casual, no sitting room space!