Woodlawn Cemetery • Conservancy

My maternal family's pots are in Woodlawn. It's truly a magnificent cemetery, well manicured and highly secure. Would appreciate finding map online so people can get to their locations without having to stop off in the office. This would help visitors and ease up on the added workload for the staff.

Cemetery grounds are well kept and is situated in an area that is peaceful and quiet, cemetery administrative services can be improved. I ordered a vase for my mother’s burial site in April 2024. It's April 2025 and I'm still waiting for vase to be placed. Told first there was a backlog in orders, now being told there is a manufacturing issue and Woodlawn trying to work out issue with company. If you are having problems with a company in obtaining items ordered for burial sites for a year, shouldn't you hire a different company that can comply with orders, just saying. Cemetery administrative slow in resolving the issue but fast in cashing my payment. Here we are a year later and no vase. I was offered a refund, but what cemetery administrative office doesn't understand, it's not a money issue, it's I want a vase by my mother’s burial site so I can put fresh flowers every time I visit her. IT'S THAT SIMPLE! She like the many others buried on your grounds may just be bodies to you, but they have love ones who have not forgotten them and still want to honor them even in death.

I enjoyed visiting Woodlawn Cemetery. I followed the Arboretum trail and viewed some of the notable gravesites. It was interesting, scenic and peaceful.

Beautiful cemetery where you can appreciate the lives of others. Well maintained walking paths. An assortment of tree species and well cared for grounds. There are fantastic stone pieces large and small. I would love to visit in the spring.

I have been doing ancestry since 2006 and in late 2016 my dad gave me a billfold then I found some paperwork and finally being able to locate my great great grandmother and this is the cemetery she’s buried in. Sad part is I went in on Veterans Day 2023 and the office was closed so no one was able to help me. I was able to ask someone on the grounds if he worked there and he did not, but he gave me a map and gave me directions to the section I needed to be. I was able to locate my ancestors after one hour of looking for them because the sections are not marked with anything. If you don’t know you just don’t know because I’ve never been there in the end. I was very happy to be able to locate them. 400 acres of if you know where to go, you know where to go.

A very peaceful, quiet and well maintained cemetery in the Bronx. Other than the cemetery employees/staff, we only saw a few people there. Some of the mausoleums are really incredible. I was surprised by how beautiful this places is.

Beautiful cemetery. We have been here twice. Once to find all the famous gravesites and once to just wander and take it all in.

Excellent place to change your oil in a peaceful state. The tractors and the clean, well maintained Cemetery, are your only neighbors 😇 I watched my mate take care of our vehicle's oil. It didn't take long despite the heat. Everytime a car went by a beautiful cool welcoming breeze could be felt!! 🍃🌿🌲🍀 😁😁😁😍

If 1 were to ask me the 2 most beautiful, historic, aesthetically pleasing, and artistically enriching cemeteries in the northern U.S. (maybe the entire U.S.), I'd have to say it's a toss-up between Greenwood in Brooklyn, and Woodlawn in the Bronx. My personal favorite? Impossible to say; I love them both, even though I haven't been to either 1 in several years. Maybe Greenwood, because it's easier to get to. I first came to Woodlawn in the late 80s with my father, who wanted to look up the grave of his maternal grandfather. We stopped at the main office, which looked as if it hadn't been updated or refurbished since the time "Cemetery John engaged "Jafsie" Condon through the cemetery fence during futile negotiations for the return of the Lindbergh baby. However, cemetery staff were very helpful and we found the gravesite easily thanks to the map they provided. The cemetery itself is enormous, and enormously impressive. Its 1st burial occurring in 1865, Woodlawn is a 400-acre oasis of architectural splendor, pastoral loveliness, and restorative tranquility in the center of the Bronx. It's the last resting place for robber barons from the "Gilded Age" like Jay Gould and John "Bet A Million" Gates to humble artists like Herman Melville (his modest tombstone has the engraving of a blank sheet of paper on it) to statesmen like Fiorello LaGuardia (a friend said, "The Christian concept of Heaven was very real to him, except he believed it was achievable on earth, and, if he only hurried, possible in his lifetime.") and Ralph Bunche, to criminals like Ruth Snyder (her murder of her husband, accomplished with the aid of her lover, served as the basic plot for the classic film "Double Indemnity") and Charles Becker (a crooked cop executed in 1915 for the murder of gambler Herman Rosenthal, although he may have actually been innocent of that particular crime) to mobster Frank Scalise (his fatal shooting while buying fruit from a Bronx fruit stand was re-created in "The Godfather") to those you least expect, like Western lawman Bat Masterson. The more ornate, elaborate mausoleums resemble hilltop castles, a stark contrast to the tombs of the more humble "permanent residents" (like my great grandfather). Miles Davis, Duke Ellington and George M. Cohan are buried here. So is poor, luckless actress Diane Barrymore, daughter of John Barrymore and author of the book "Too Much, Too Soon." She died too young as a suicide and is buried in the plot of her mother's family. A multitude of family names are on the stone, with the exception of hers. I've always been haunted by some of the highly realistic and sometimes disturbingly lifelike statuary populating the cemetery. One in particular is of a lifesized nude woman (tastefully rendered) sitting alongside a grave in eternal mourning, or until she ultimately crumbles into dust. In turns mournful, sad, historic, lovely (in spite of the sometimes grim reality of the Bronx surrounding it), Woodlawn is a must visit cemetery on your list, if you visit any cemetery at all (although Greenwood in Brooklyn is in the running, as I've mentioned). If you're interested in the history of cemeteries, or of NYC, or just in history itself, Woodlawn is a repository of it all.

Small chapel and lovely service for a dearly departed friend. Several prayers, singing and eulogy done. The funeral service to the crypt was by car to a very large plot area. The service was short due to the cold but a great memory to our friend. Rest In Peace. Lot parking.

I came here on Memorial Day to visit deceased family members. En route to visit my maternal grandfather's grave, I stumbled upon Jazz Corner. I just had to take a photo of the graves of Miles Davis, Duke Ellington and Lionel Hampton. I am so proud that Grandpa is buried about a five-minute drive away from the graves of jazz legends. There are guards at the gate who distribute maps. The office staff is also helpful. It is worth it to visit here if you happen to be in the North Bronx.

I've seen several cemeteries in NYC. I've done Green-Wood in Brooklyn (to see Basquiat), Flushing Cemetery in Queens to see Louis Armstrong, Machpelah Cemetery in Queens (Houdini). Flushing and Machpelah Cemeteries are a little rougher and unkempt. Green-Wood has city views from atop the hill and nice benches to sit on and reflecting pools. I rated Woodlawn five stars for a few reasons. Yes, you have to hoof it all the way out to the Bronx to the last stop on the train--Woodlawn station (I visited in conjunction with the New York Transit Museum's vintage ride in a 1920's railway car). But the cemetery is clean and well kept and full of mausoleums (some very impressive!). They have trolley tours, but the in person by foot tour is very interesting! Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Herman Melville are all buried here, as well as several other notable authors, musicians, and celebrities. Nice to walk around, though not as many places to sit as Green-Wood. Lots of pretty trees--nice to see in the summer. There are lots of wide roads if you prefer driving to walking. Somehow this cemetery seems a little more accessible than Green-Wood. The tour is what bumped this up from four stars to five (oh, and Melville's grave is cooler than you think).

Fantastic place to stroll. Open between 8:30a and 4:30p, this gorgeous green space is the final resting place to more than 300,000 people. Compared to Greenwood Cemetery, it's not as hilly, but it's beautiful nonetheless. Opened during the Civil War in 1863, it houses the remains of many illustrious people, such as the writer Herman Melville, and musicians Miles Davis, Duke Ellington and Celia Cruz. It's (obviously) very peaceful and relaxing. You could walk for hours and still see only a portion of it. Very well worth a trip.

Reviewing a cemetery now.......only on Yelp. Naturally I can't give the best review until I'm a permanent resident here (I do have a plot reserved), but as a visitor (I have family here) I guess I can. The land is spacious and nice. They do take good care of the grounds. I mean, it's a cemetery, so aside from that aspect the grounds and greenery is nice. I'm not as familiar with the pricing whether it's for the wall or ground, but I would imagine it's not cheap. If you're one of those type people who look for famous graves, there are plenty of "celebrities" around. I've had very little interaction with staff over the years, so I can't fully comment on that aspect. Some are dyin' to get in (couldn't resist), but if you do manage to visit or want to rest here permanently, you could certainly do a lot worse.

I'm already a big fan of Green-Wood (lucky enough to live nearby) so was very excited when a friend asked me to join her on a hunt for her family plot up at Woodlawn. It's incredible to me that a city can contain two cemeteries with such equally fascinating histories, monuments/sculptures, and flora to admire but, you know, that's New York. These guys provide maps at the gates to help you navigate to the resting places of Sir Miles Davis, Herman Melville, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, etc. as well as very helpful staff who had no trouble locating my friend's family plot -- even offering us a ride over to it. Can't wait to go back and explore more of the gorgeous, tranquil grounds.

I have to admit that I feel a bit weird writing a review of a cemetery. However, it is one of the largest cemeteries in New York City. A number of famous people: Herman Melville, Duke Ellington, Irving Berlin, Miles Davis, former Mayor LaGuardia, and many others: writers, artists, musicians, political activists, the rich and famous, etc. I had visited Woodlawn to see Herman Melville, but I often found myself sidetracked. That is not a complaint. The cemetery is very well maintained, and the mausoleums and landscape are beautiful. The people who work here are friendly and helpful, though not everywhere. I was able to get a map from the main office, and the woman gave me directions to Herman Melville's grave (it's just off Central Avenue, though you'd have to walk a bit through the area). The map is very helpful and shows you the general areas where famous people are buried. Although I'd recommend walking around (to get the feel of the place), Woodlawn Cemetery is convenient for cars and easy to drive to (keeping in mind that you will have to deal with NYC traffic). Getting there via public transportation is very easy: The 4 train stops right next to the entrance. It also feels weird to be recommending a cemetery, but it is a place of history (I'm a history buff) and haunting beauty. Woodlawn Cemetery is definitely worth a visit.

A extremely beautiful cemetery, especially now with the beautiful foliage. I want to thank the wonderful people at, Woolawn cemetery Ms.Lori Locke "Family Service Counselor" for making a difficult time a bit soothing and less stressful, and the hugs helped also. This week I got the phone call that my father's tombstone was ready and I got to visit him on this beautiful fall day.

I understand it's a good cemetery and I have a lot of bodies in there I understand a lot of famous people or laid dead arrest to I don't know anything else to say or tell you because I don't know anything because I haven't been there

I think I've reached a new level of Yelp dedication by reviewing a cemetery - but trust me, after visiting Woodlawn you'll be compelled to share your experience as well. I've visited Woodlawn a few times over the years; two of my grandparents are buried here as well as a number of other family members. However, even if you don't know anyone who is laid to rest here, I highly suggest you come visit - the cemetery is rich in history. Designated a National Historic Landmark, Woodlawn is one of the largest cemeteries in New York City. Entering through the gates on 233rd St transports you into a world much different than the urban neighborhood that surrounds it; it almost gives off the feel of a rural cemetery with large open fields and lots of landscaping. There are a lot of famous people buried here, some notable examples are Miles Davis, Joseph Pulitzer, Celia Cruz, Isidor Straus (co-owner of Macy's who died on the Titanic), Frank Woolworth, Duke Ellington, Herman Melville, and Irving Berlin - the list goes on. Take an afternoon and get lost in Woodlawn, definitely a piece of Bronx history.

It is a beautiful place to visit your loved ones, the grounds are well kept. But, it is huge. The only problem is, if you visit on a weekend and aren't certain where the plot you're looking for is located there is no one who can tell you where it is. Weekdays the office is open. Many of us are working the same hours as the office. Some cemeteries (Holy Rood for example), have a kiosk where you enter the name and it will show you the location. That would be a nice addition.

I find cemeteries very peaceful and Woodlawn is a particularly lovely example. Established in 1863, it is well-maintained and home to many affluent families. Back in the late 1800s, Woodlawn used to attract wealthy city dwellers by advertising the cemetery as a quiet, serene resting place just 30 minutes from NYC. Famous residents include Herman Melville, Irving Berlin, Miles Davis, and Duke Ellington (among many others). Some of the mausoleums have to be seen to be believed - they're enormous and gorgeous works of art. It seems like they are in competition for the nicest mausoleum. I took a picture of what seemed to be the largest mausoleum. Serious money has been spent here on stained glass windows, statues, columns and elaborate etched doors. Some look like church chapels. One looks like a miniature Parthenon. The family tombstones are uniform and surround the larger centerpiece memorial. There's something very planned about the site, yet occupants are allowed to express some individuality. The family tombstones are uniform and surround the larger centerpiece memorial. The abundance of trees, green lawns, and streams adds to the loveliness of the setting. I half-expected to see some Goths lurking about the angel statues but it was too sunny for that. It's open to the public and they have walking tours as well as self-guided tours.

It's a beautiful cemetery with mean people. My initial phone call was met with a women who had a serious nasty attitude. She tried to hang up on me when she realized that I just wanted information & I wasn't buying a plot. She even answered the phone in a crabby way. I see that many people like to walk around. There are famous people there. I couldn't get an answer to a simple answer.

Some absolutely beautiful things to be seen in this magnificent cemetery. We even saw some wild turkeys during our visit. I will say that some of these mausoleums are way over the top.

I've been dying to visit here for a very long time. Three years ago I traced (or maybe not) the burial of an ancestor here at Woodlawn. I contacted the cemetery office and they offered to send me burial records of those buried in the family plot for about $50 (they take Visa, MC, check, money orders), a bargain - but I usually avoid spending that kind of money having 1000s of people in my family tree until I'm reasonably sure there's a solid connection or that the information will either definitively prove or disprove a family link - so field trips are important, sometimes you can glean information on where in the cemetery relatives are buried in or by the people that are buried nearby. I did find the family stone but all it had was the family surname chiseled into it, no given names, no dates, etc. So it looks like I'll have to rely on the written records. The cemetery itself is gorgeous - tree lined, shady, and the stonework is simply amazing. I have been following the monthly events at Woodlawn thru their newsletter for a while now - this month they're offering a Jazz Trolley Tour (sure to wake the dead), several jazz greats like Miles Davis, WC Handy, Duke Ellington, and many others are buried here. http://woodlawnconservancy.org/index.php?option=com_civicrm&task=civicrm/event/info&Itemid=177&reset=1&id=141 Drop in in you have a chance.

Many exciting things going on here. Trolley tours, kids camp, a legacy program. This legacy program gets kids into the cemetery to show them they can excel. It costs each Bronx public school $5,000 to have NHL hockey greats Stephan Matteau and Ron Dugay go to the schools and have the kids come to the cemetery. Each kid is coached on their legacy. They also support the President. The Sales Director is a hugh Trump supporter and he even increased the movies and TV shows being filmed there. Imagine that, so called liberal Hollywood paying big money to a Trump supporter. This guy is a genius. Sales have doubled allowing for better care of the cemetery. Money coming in from the Bronx public schools, from movie and TV filming and the various tours will keep the cemetery beautiful and viable for many years to come. Great job in keeping the legacy of The Woodlawn Cemetery alive and well. It's a beautiful place.

I find it hard to believe that I am actually reviewing a cemetery on YELP, but honestly this is an amazing adventure. I teach a course on Death and Dying. I take my students here. For many it is the first time they have ever been to a cemetery. This is not the cemetery of broken gates, witches, owls and full moons. But rather it is an amazing park filled with amazing graves and mausoleums of the very famous and the not so famous. As others have written this cemetery houses the remains of Herman Melville, Irving Berlin, Celia Cruz, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Julliard, the Woolworth family, the Westinghouse family and so on. It is history. It is peaceful. It is amazing. Guided tours are offered regularly. Concerts are held periodically. Mausoleums have Tiffany glass windows and St. Gaudiens bronze doors. And all just a subway ride (the #4 subway's last stop at Woodlawn Road is right there) away.

Woodlawn, a tranquil setting in the Bronx, is a very well maintained tribute to those who came before us. Even better, the office staff is very helpful in most respects. They helped us through an interstate re-interment and, later, an update to an existing monument, expertly handled by Nick at DeNigris Monuments.

Beautiful to walk around in. Stunning mausoleums and gorgeous stained glass. However, hours are really short. Also, there have been some unsavory labor issues... Beautiful place for a walk though.

My parents, and my father's parents are buried there. The cemetery is very old as other reviews have mentioned. The grounds are clean and maintained relatively well considering the age of the land. What impressed me recently was my interaction with Mr. Speas, Supervisor, for Woodlawn. I expressed a concern about the disappearance of the flowers I had placed on my parents grave stone approximately 2 weeks before they disappeared. Mr. Speas was not only sympathetic, kind, and considerate, he immediately solved the problem. He apologized for the loss of the flowers (although clearly not his fault), and exercised excellent customer service skills; and excellent management skills and abilities.

This is an amazing historic site!! I did a self tour! And wow the amount of history hear is just amazing !! My favorite is isador and Ida straus who perished on the titanic, where only one was recovered !! More famous ppl such as jc penny, Woolworth , Celia Cruz, Pulitzer . It's great !!

Woodlawn is one of the loveliest cemeteries I've ever visited. It's large, peaceful, filled with beautiful statuary & mausoleums, and even accessible by subway. There's a strong sense of history at Woodlawn (some prominent people are buried there) and it's like a compendium of the 20th century. You could easily wander around for hours.

I want to thanks Woodlawn Cemetery Administration for the excellent work today. I'm very pleased on how you guys took responsibility and solved the problem we had. Specially thanks to David Executive Director at the cemetery. We thank you for your support, for personally taking care of each detail of Isabela's grave transfer. May Isabela Rest in Eternal Peace at this beautiful Cemetery.

First of all, they completely took the hurt away from my VERY bad experience with Ortiz shit funeral home. Mary Lou is lovely!!! Bill Moreno class act!! The plot chosen BEAUTIFUL, distance close enough so that my poor grieving dad can visit my mom, and they even take you to the plot of the weather is bad. My heart is at peace with this decision, and my dad will join mom (not yet please) in the same plot. Price is price BUT so worth the cost, mom died 5/11/19 - yes day before mother's day. Mary Lou was kind, asking the right questions, offered us a beverage and let my dad speak on the 49 years of marriage they were together. I would write more, but it would be a book. Please contact Mary Lou or Bill for assistance. My condolences if anyone has lost a loved one recently. Warmest regards!

Harrell at Woodlawn Cemetery came to my rescue when the funeral for a loved one almost turned really bad because of the funeral parlor I dealt with. Harrell helped me through and turned the funeral experience into a memorable one instead of the nightmare that it would have been. My only regret is that the funeral, there, at the beautiful Woolworth Chapel, was better than the one I gave my mother. Woodlawn is a historic landmark with famous people buried there. They now have stones that cremated remains can be placed in, in a peaceful garden, which is lovely. I highly recommend them for their professionalism and compassion. Harrell was my rock when I needed one.

Do NOT have your loved ones laid to rest here. Yes, it's beautiful, yes it's historic....But if you're into liars and additional headaches in your life, disregard what you're about to read at your own risk. If you are looking to have your loved ones rest in peace, while at the same time have some peace of mind; look elsewhere. The sales person outright LIED to my family....LIED. In 2008 we were told they were building a new wing to their mausoleum, and told is it would be complete late 2008, early 2009. It took 4 YEARS to complete! In the interim; they pretty much kept my relative in some holding area, where when walking around I saw remains that were there for even longer my family member was. It took multiple phone calls, letters, visits and escalations to get even some level of "justice". Instead of going to the cemetery to grieve in peace, it became a source of aggravation. Because I complained about about flowers, cards and ornaments being removed by workers, the situation got worse. Not only did they retaliate by having the workers target one family members crypt, suddenly, the grave site of other family members were starting to be affected. Property stolen, items moved, etc. One of their sales people, the person that lied to me, yelled at me as I was headed into the mausoleum due to a scheduling miscommunication. The same guy a few months later after I wrote a letter to the Better Business Bureau stopped me at my loved ones crypt trying to explain/ justify. I'm there trying to grieve a loved one, and I'm being confronted. What angers me the most is that I'm stuck....my loved ones are there, and to be with them after I pass, I have to interred there and it sickens me. My only other choice is to move them, which I have contemplated, but I don't want to disrupt their eternal resting place. They continue to lie to this day. The workers destroyed a crucifix adorned on a loved ones crypt at a reopening. This time I did not say anything, because I just wanted there to be peace. I did not want to fight anymore. Recently, one again workers removed flowers which is expected, but they also removed a teddy bear that has been at that crypt for years, as well as the replacement crucifix. They later call me and tell me that the workers did not remove the items. #1 - that's bull. #2 - I cant imagine I'm the only one reporting missing items. If I'm not, then perhaps some camera's should be in place to protected against theft. If I'm the only reporting, it will fall in line with my retaliation theory. (Although I think this last one was a worker mistake, yet they refuse to admit fault). I guess I'll have to go back to the Better Business Bureau, or perhaps the Attorney General or some other government agency to take a look at what's going on there. We payed a lot of money, and multiple family members in the cemetery, All we as a family want is for the cemetery to refrain from touching the family graves and crypts. DO NOT SEND YOUR LOVED ONES HERE.

It may sound creepy, but this is actually a beautiful place to spend an afternoon. It was completed in 1863 during the Civil War and entombs some of old New York society's legends. It's really just a gorgeous park with old tombstones and mausoleums. Over the years, it has become somewhat of a bird sanctuary as well, so watch out for the crazy wild turkeys and loons running around. They tend to be quite territorial, so keep your distance.

The landscape is quite beautiful and they upkeep the property often. I have family members buried here and strangely enough, I'm happy they are there. I visit my mother and grandmother here when I can. It really is a nice and peaceful place to explore.

I enjoy exploring cemeteries and Woodlawn is one of the best. Even the views from the east side are enjoyable, but the grounds are amazing, the architecture is inventive (and from the looks of it, there are some new additions that will be top notch as well), and the number of New Yorkers with SERIOUS history buried there is staggering. Second only to Greenwood.

DO NOT BRING LOVED ONES HERE!!!! I am supposed to here burying my grandfather and we have been waiting over an hour because they couldn't do two burial services at the same time. This was not previously told to us and when we asked the attendants they were very rude and told us we don't know how long, you'll just have to wait for the other funeral party to leave. I have never experienced something like this before. My family couldn't even grieve in peace.

This is a magical place, every bit as beautiful as the more famous Green-Wood Cemetery. Ponder life and death among grand temples and modest graves.

I love this cemetery. Its just beautiful. The staff keeps this cemetery nice and clean. They also treat you nice. I will recommend this cemetery 100 %.

Beautiful place to be buried in for eternity.Well maintained.

You take the Lexington Avenue No.4 subway train uptown to the last stop (Woodlawn), cross the street and enter another world. We spent several hours on a Sunday afternoon walking around. It's vast and deserted; we saw fewer than half a dozen living souls during our entire visit. The place is totally quiet and very beautiful, with immaculate landscaped grounds and huge stone mausoleums and monuments to eminent Americans from a bygone age. If you peer inside the crypts, you can see Tiffany stained glass windows with sunlight shining through. It is not monotonous, but rather fascinating to see the fine materials, craftsmanship, and impressive architectural variations on the theme of final resting places for very wealthy individuals. It is impossible to cover the entire necropolis in a single visit, but wandering around randomly is a strangely relaxing and peaceful experience. While there are famous people buried here, most names are totally unrecognizable.

After going to forest lawn cemetery in Buffalo, NY I started researching cemeteries closer to home. Woodlawn is amazing from the architecture to the history. It's worth the trip!!

If you are looking to lay your loved ones to rest in place that treats you and your family with respect during an emotional time, then Woodlawn is NOT the place. Their sales people either are trained to lie, or are put in a position to lie based on senior mismanagement. I've spoken, and emailed to many staff members and found that they can be disrespectful. If you only saw the emails. Misinformation about pricing, time lines, rules, policies, enforcement, you name it, I can supply information on a run around. I've tried unsuccessfully to convince myself that they sincerely tried to be a professional business and were trying to do the right thing with good intentions. The fact is, they tried and failed because they make commitments and statements which were contradicted when pressed. They are used to dealing with people at times of grief, and are woefully ill-equiped to handle the difficult questions, so to appease they lie in hopes that it'll be enough to make you go away. A return phone call is optional, and when you do speak with someone you are given false information, that's when they decide to communicate. Be warned, if you complain about the service, or voice feedback based upon their OWN actions, they will retaliate. Soon items will be "missing" from grave sites and crypts. If I was rating solely on the scenery, it would get a 3 or 4 stars. (They are slow to clean up after inclement weather, there have been downed trees and broken grave markers due to storms for months now). There are some great monuments that are beautiful, they have many famous people buried there, and I see random people walking around taking pictures of the structures. I'll give Woodlawn credit, there is some beauty there.