Zorch Pizza

Pretty solid pizza. They do sell out, only make so may pizza dough a day. We got there and got the last 3 slices of cheese. While sitting there we saw a number of people that came in, but couldn't get anything. So, just plan accordingly. Small place, just a couple of table and a little bar you can sit at. Great and very sociable staff. NY type slices, decent folding size, flame baked.

While I love the taste of a brick oven pizza, the crust was very thin and wet with tomato sauce. I understand also that they are unable to make accommodations or changes to the Pizza because of supply chain issues. But that really changes the user's experience to their Pizza. Because Pizza is such a customizable food. Outside of that, the veggie, spinach and ricotta Pizza that I had was unbelievably sweet. Whereas I don't think that it needed a sweet component for the umami,

Tiny pizza shop that packs a punch. Delicious thin crust pizza. Order a slice or an entire pizza. Very limited seating, so be patient. Trust me, the pizza is worth it. The staff is exceptional. Katie does an awesome job keeping things moving. Thanks!!!

One of our absolute favorite pizza spots! This place consistently delivers on flavor and freshness. Their pizzas are cooked to perfection, with a crust that's crispy on the outside. And the toppings? Always fresh and generous. We've been coming back to this spot again and again, and we're never disappointed. The quality is always high, the service is friendly, and the atmosphere is cozy and inviting. If you're a pizza lover like us, do yourself a favor and get to this place ASAP. You won't regret it! 5 stars, hands down!

Zorch Pizza is a delightful gem on Cary Street, especially known for its Grandma's Pizza, which truly embodies the essence of classic Italian flavors. The moment you step inside, the inviting aroma wraps around you, hinting at the deliciousness to come. The Grandma's Pizza, with its perfectly crisp crust and rich layers of sauce and cheese, is a comforting slice that never disappoints. Equally impressive is the Upside Down pizza, where the cheese is generously layered beneath the sauce, offering a unique twist that pizza lovers will appreciate. Each bite bursts with flavor, making it an irresistible choice. One of the standout features of Zorch Pizza is how essential it is to enjoy their offerings warm and fresh. The experience of biting into a hot slice, with gooey cheese and perfectly seasoned toppings, is incomparable. Overall, Zorch Pizza is a must-visit spot for anyone in the area. Whether you're a local or just passing through, indulging in a slice here is an experience that should not be missed. It’s a celebration of classic pizza done right, guaranteed to leave you craving more. 🍕

Swung through Richmond in search of a quality slice of 🍕 Based on a recommendation we found our way to Zorch Pizza @ the Carey location. Was fortunate and secured street parking in the front. Small and quaint pizzeria with table and bar seating. Nice display of pies and Spirits on the ready. Staff was friendly and service was super quick. Ordered up three pepperoni slices which had the (pepperoni cup style). Served piping hot, outstanding crisp crust, great quality pepperoni & cheese with a good quality sauce that had a slight hint of sweetness. Polished those off and went back to rate a slice of regular cheese. Staff providing the slice on the house and I was not disappointed. This pizza parlor would definitely be a goto if I lived in the area. It was great to see that the Staff knew folks by name. Speaks volumes regarding repeat customers and service. 5*****

Overall, we had an ok experience here. We ordered 3 pies, totaling over $90. Two of the pizzas came with crust that was burnt to a crisp. When we placed the order, we were told it would take 15-20 minutes, but we ended up waiting around 40 minutes. We weren’t in a rush, and it is football Sunday, but it would have been nice to know a better idea of how long we’d be waiting. The location is also very small inside, but that wasn’t too much of an issue- it’s Carytown, so that’s to be expected. The staff is very friendly. Overall, the pizza still tasted good, we just didn’t get to enjoy the crust! We may try this spot again by the slice, not sure yet.

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Zorch Pizza is honestly a whole experience, not just a meal. The vibes inside are perfect laid-back, welcoming, and full of good energy from the moment you walk in. The staff are incredibly friendly and actually know their stuff; they’re happy to talk through the menu, make recommendations, and you can tell they really care about what they’re serving. And the pizza? Absolutely amazing. The flavors are bold, fresh, and perfectly balanced, with that ideal crust that’s crispy on the outside and soft on the inside. You can taste the quality in every bite, like real attention went into the ingredients and the craft. It’s the kind of pizza you think about after you leave and immediately plan to come back for. Great food, great people, great atmosphere Zorch definitely earned a loyal customer. 🍕

Just a lot too sweet IMO. But as far as the toppings, cheese, pepperoni..and sauce..was great!

Not the cheapest but excellent pizza. The perfect thickness close to ny style but crisper. We ate in but be aware there is very limited seating. A large cheese pizza fed two adults and two small kids with no left overs.

Pretty good pizza! Recently was voted the best pizza spot in RVA in a March Madness-style bracket, so we were excited to try it. Lots of vegetarian and vegan options which was awesome! In order of our faves: 1) Goat Cheese + Peach Jam - super creamy, flavors were well-balanced, slightly on the sweeter side, my personal favorite. 2) White Out - caramelized onions, basil, ricotta, garlic, you get the idea - this one was good as well but didn't feel SAUCY which we were really craving. 3) Red Sauce Thick Crust - forgot the official name for this pizza but it was a thick crust (square slices), with tomato sauce and cheese. Very satisfying! Your classic pizza flavors. 4) Vegan Sausage - forgot the official name for this too but you really could not tell it was vegan. Really liked this as well, it was just a little bitter as you continued to eat. Overall would probably try it again for some other specialty slices (I like that they sell by slice so you don't have to buy the full pie) - however, it does lose its tastiness as it gets cold, so def eat hot.

This was a mixed bag and much harder for me to rate than normal. The pizza is great! Barstool would rate the pie a 7.8+ and I'm at an 8.5. Good cheese, great sauce, crunchy outside side soft bite crust with a great undercarriage. Just good pizza. I do not recommend planning to dine-in here. There are about 10 chairs with 3 or 4 tables and five chairs at the bar. The whole building is maybe 10-15 feet wide. It's small and tight but dang do they make good pizza. The staff is you typical Carytown personalities. I look forward to their business growing and eventually getting into a bigger space. Go get take out here.

Fresh ingredients. Super flavorful. VERY delicious. This was such a treat. I could've had a whole pie to myself !

The "upside down" at Zorch perfect vodka sauce and the best crust... I douse mine in crushed red and parm

Consistently FANTASTIC!!!! Bravo!!!! We frequently here weekly if not more even after cutting our budget as it is beyond WORTH IT!!! You want to talk about a restaraunteur who REALLY cares and has and AWESOME Staff and PHENOMENAL FOOD!!! THIS IS IT!!!! The Grandma pizza is a Classic 10/10 pie!!! The birria pizza tonight for your collaboration with Little Mexico was an ABSOLUTE Home RUN!!!! I LOVE these collabs and hope they keep coming along with the classics!!! My only regret is missing out on some of these collaborations! KUDOS to you, Rob and your FANTASTIC creativity and staff!!!! Keep it coming!!! I would've taken pictures but the pie was devoured almost before we arrived home!

The upside down vodka pizza is the best slice in town!! Love the changing weekly specials.

Today was my first time at Zorchs and they didn't disappoint. I waited for them to open at 11am, and when I walked in, it reminded me of pizza spots I know in NY, small mom and pop looking dine in area. They sell pizza by the slice which is the way I'm accustomed to getting pizza at home in NY. The best part trying them out was to discover they had several vegan options. I had to choose between vegan pepperoni, vegan sausage and vegan Brussels (sprout) pizza. I tried the vegan sausage and liked it a lot. The cheese tasted good and the crust was pretty good as well. I am just happy to have another go to spot for vegan pizza.

Zorch is one of the top pizza shop's, if not the top pizza place in Richmond. Service, quality, value, taste, atmosphere are all 5 stars! The restaurant is very clean and comfortable. There's 4-5 tables and 5 counter stools as well. There's so many pizza styles, flavors and toppings to choose from. I've been eating Zorch pizza for at least 6 years now and the consistency is always there. I grew up in Brooklyn NY so the NY style slice/pie is my favorite. You can order ahead with the toast app but I like choose when I'm onsite to check out all the day's flavors. The owner is a great guy and cares about the community. He provided a few zoom pizza making classes to the public during the pandemic. He also supports other businesses as I've seen him wear "pizza bones" and "cobra burger" T shirts.

Phenomenal pizza. Cool vibes inside. Wish their hours were more extensive and that they delivered. It would replace Mary Angela's if they were more available. But man, pizza is absolutely great.

Zorch is my favorite pizza in Richmond! I don't like greasy pizza, so I love that it is thin and rich but also feels somewhat fresh (? If you can say that about pizza). They have unique fun flavors and I love being surprised by food. The upside down vodka slice is sooooo good (but very messy). I also surprisingly liked the white pizza! The slices are huge, 1.5 is usually enough for me to be substantially full. If you are buying by the slice, I recommend going early - they sell out and don't restock their 'by the slice' pizzas very quickly. I've also ordered online and it was super easy. The inside is pretty small, but they have a few tables if you want to eat in!

So glad they finally opened a brick and mortar location. The pizza is so good with a thin, New York style crust and delicious mozzarella. It's greasy in the best way possible. This is my favorite pizza place to grab a quick slice.

Zorch undoubtedly is the best pizza I have probably ever had in Virginia. If you like New York style (which is my preference) where grease is dripping off the pie, then Zorch is for you. Their "Grandma Pie" is also to die for and the sauce that they whip up is the best I have had on a pizza in a while! PROS: - Great NY Style - Variety of different pies & toppings to choose from CONS: - Dine-In seating is tight and small

I'm always telling everyone how much I love Zorch Pizza, so I had to tell Yelp too. Great owners, staff & fantastic pizza all around. I've been a customer since their food truck days, and of course followed them straight running to their brick & mortar! I absolutely love so much that they try their best to cater to the vegan & vegetarian communities as well with all their fun weekly specials, and love that they're always switching it up and doing fun things on the menu or collabs--like once I had a literal baked potato pizza there!!!! Also always love the Vodka Pizza, 1Up Mushroom, White Out, Vegan Pepperoni or Vegan Zalapeno Popper, and the plain cheese is far from forgettable as well. WOW!! Buy it by the slice, or get a whole big pie. They've also got fried apps, and I'm so serious when I say don't sleep on the blackened ranch! Just make sure to go early, because they will occasionally sell out fast on the weekends!

I love a good spot that sells New York-style pizza by the slice. And bonus for having a white pizza option. The white out was really delicious. The slice was indeed a reminiscence of New York. The variety of cheeses, basil, and strangely caramelized onions atop a crispy slice was great for a hungry stomach. The general tso's slice was interesting to say the least. It tasted like, well you guessed it, like general tso's. The chicken with white rice included dominated the pizza. They also put a hefty amount of green onions and sesame seeds on top. I do wonder if they order the general tso's from a Chinese restaurant and dump it on pizza dough. Food for thought?!

I had heard raving reviews about Zorch's and I was back home visiting so had to check it out! My friends and I went and were very excited. It's very small inside but cute and "homey". There is not a lot of seating availability, so just keep that in mind because you may or may not be able to find a seat when you arrive. The service is very quick and the workers were very nice to us! When we got there, around 8pm there were not a ton of pizza options available (in terms of by the slice), but the three we got were cheese, vegan 1up mushroom and the vegan wing night pizza. The cheese is a classic and you can never go wrong there! They claim to be NY style pizza and I would say the crust speaks for itself & I agree that it is! The vegan pizzas were great & it was amazing to have those options available. My friends who had the 1up mushroom loved the pizza, but did mention you can tell it's vegan cheese, but it's very good for a vegan pizza - and they have tried a lot! The vegan wing night was the BEST - if they have it when you are there, I highly recommend it! Overall, I would definitely come again (probably closer to their opening time) and try some new ones! It was a great first time experience.

Zorch Pizza in Carytown is the best pizza in RVA! Unique pies and perfect classics too. A must try!

Ultra thing, ultra hard, ultra oily, if you were looking for a crowded, dark, loud, cicis pizza for double the cost, you've found it. You can find your pizza behind a glass window sitting there, gross.

Zorch is some of the best take out pizza in carytown! I have honestly loved everything I've tried here. The portions are huge so there's plenty to have and share. We got the fried ravioli and they were so crispy and I loved that they came with marinara sauce. We got the vodka sauce pizza which was so creative and tasty. I love the fresh basil but it was even better with red pepper flakes added on top. My only criticism is that they could've used more seasoning with the pizza sauce!

Richmond has been missing a spot with traditional New York slices for so long and I'm so glad Zorch Pizza is filling the slot! We showed up on a Friday afternoon and had our pick of a variety of slices. Both of mine, Upside Down and Cheese, were delicious! I also got to try a bit of their spicy slice which was also incredibly tasty. And my boyfriends ringing endorsement was "that was the best slice of buffalo chicken pizza I've ever had." Which is saying a lot. I've heard they tend to run out of some pies early (they're in high-demand for a reason) so be sure to get there early or call in advance to see what they have. Overall, we were incredible pleased. We'll be back.

We kept hearing about this place and finally gave it a shot. Let's start here. This is the best pizza I have found in Richmond. It is not the best in the world or anything, and most Richmond pizza is garbage, so the bar is not that high. But Zorch is very good--especially when you consider it is primarily a slice shop requiring the pizza to be reheated when ordered. It's a little confusing though. When you come in, there is no indication of whether to sit down, order at the bar, wait for someone, etc. The stoner bartender (who looks like Ron Jeremy's baked younger brother) just stands their slack-jawed and disinterested. Finally we go up to him and he takes our order--one cheese slice and one pepperoni slice. We want drinks of course, but I can't have alcohol and my wife is not looking for booze. That limits us apparently to Mexican Coke, Mexican Sprite or Richmond city tap water. Since the latter may be safe to drink but certainly doesn't taste like it, I opt for a Mexican Coke, but I really wanted a diet soda. This is another restaurant that thinks everyone wants beer and booze, and short changes the rest of us. We sit down and the slices come out. They are very good. The crust has good structure but is foldable. The cheese is generous and tastes fresher than the usual food-service bend. The pepperoni is the cupping variety--which tastes great but will almost always leave grease dripping from the slice on to you. Good size although a little steep in price. I want to say it was over $5 a slice although the website says it was $4.50 for the pepperoni and $4.15 for the cheese. It is 1/6th of an 18" pie. A whole cheese pie is $21.75 which strikes me as a little high. For comparison, Belmont Pizza (which a lot of people rave about but I loathe) is $16 for a cheese that size. Seating is limited and it can get crowded in there. Come for the pizza, not for the service.

Fell in love with grandma style pizza here!! It was my favorite one there out of all the slices I tried. Loved how many options they had and how quick it was for the workers to give us the slices and check out. The place was small and cute for a quite bite to eat kind of place! Loved everything about zorch's. The neon lights were my favorite decoration.

Best pizza I've tried in RVA! Came in late on Friday night and they still had a few slices left for sale. The white out and pepperoni pizzas were amazing! They were out of the special so will need to try again earlier in the day to see what other specials they create. The blackened ranch was delicious and we also got the toasted ravioli. For the portion size. $4-5 a slice is reasonable. The place is small but takeout was easy to do. The service was quick and friendly. Looking forward to going back!

Awww pizza, the food of the gods. Been all over Richmond for pies and this is the only place that actually saves the wife and I from driving/flying to New York(Brooklyn). I'm not saying it's just as good but I'll hold up Lady Liberty's Torch for Zorch.

Zorch pizza is amazing! The specials are fun and unique and the classic pizza tastes like a NY slice. It's all delicious!

Zorch remains one of my favorite pizza spots in Richmond, VA! The slices are so unique and flavorful. My favorite is the Grandmas style and the Wing Night pizza which is a Buffalo chicken pizza with a bleu cheese drizzle. You do have to keep in mind that the restaurant itself is kind of small so there may or may not be seating. The service is pretty quick, you pick a slice, they pop it in the oven, and voila!

This is my 3rd time having Zorch and this was the best it has ever been! The pizza was so crispy with just the right amount of grease. I love their homemade Cajun ranch. They had 3 different non alcoholic beers which I was so appreciative of as someone who doesn't drink.

I love this place. It's a small place for eating there but, it is worth the wait. Every time. My only gripe is a small selection in toppings but, they offset it with specialty, rotating pizzas. I recommend running, not walking to Zorch. I plan to eat there as often as my wallet and my gullet allow.

Decided to try Zorch out on a Saturday around 6pm. We wanted slices but were kind of bummed at lack of availability. Both my husband and I wanted grandma pepperoni slice and there was one left. I asked if they could make more and guy at register said yes but it will be awhile and they're focused on making whole pies right now. Then he went on to suggest maybe my husband will share his slice with me lol ok, thanks, I guess. Opted for a white out slice, which was ok. Neither of us liked the slice featuring the sweet sauce and ended up throwing it out, but as I thought, the grandma pepperoni was pretty good (I did get a bite after all). The space is tiny and cramped. No place to stand and wait for your slices without feeling like you're in the way. I think pizza is good but nothing to write home about.

Around 3pm on a Sunday, we were craving a quick snack before we had dinner reservations later that night, so we stopped by Zorch Pizza. We were very happy with our decision! We split a slice of upside down pizza which was a vodka sauce with mozzarella and basil. It was phenomenal, an amazing slice of pizza! We definitely plan on coming back to try more pizza flavors and some of their side dishes!

Remember the days right before summer break when your teacher would order pizza and you'd get to watch a movie? Zorch Pizza is that classroom and is also that pizza. The taste of childhood joy comes alive in Carytown. The guy who greets you is extremely welcoming and patient. He's also a great person to have a conversation with! Zorch is great for dine-in or takeout. If you decide to eat there, they have a movie playing for everyone to enjoy. On our last visit, Avengers: Infinity War was on. Besides the great ambience, their New York style pizza is awesome! They have really interesting types of pizza to choose from. We ordered a Grandma Pizza slice and an Upside Down Pizza slice. You can order by the slice or get a whole pizza (note: the slices are HUGE, it is NY Pizza after all). We had the pizza fresh right out of the oven. It was delicious. I'm excited to try more of their specials!

The Upside Down Pizza was so bomb! This place isn't big so don't expect to go with your family and be able to find a spot at anytime. Might be best to plan that visit. However, it does offer seating and has a small bar. Price per slice seems high but maybe it's competitive to others. I can't say but the pizza here is very good and the crust too. My son and I enjoyed it. So good!

The best pizza we've had in RVA! Hot, cheesy, with high quality ingredients. And all at a good price point. Could not ask for a better meal.

I don't even need to say a lot. Zorch is just darn good pizza. The upside down is one of favorites but you really can't go wrong with any slice.

Grandma Pie reminds me of Brooklyn! So good...love the sauce! Nice to have a real pie in Richmond!. If you like NY style Pizza...this is the place! So hard to find "real pizza" The real deal!

Their pizzas are tasty and delicious.Perfect combination of sauce cheese and well done.We are vegetarian and like their vegetarian options.

Zorch is a pizza joint down in cary town and its amazing one of the best pizzas i have had. I recommend the buffalo chicken one it is so good you can taste the buffalo chicken and the ranch on to super good. service is good they were very quick when i went. Also the side ranch is very good for dipping and slices are very big which i like. So if you want to have great pizza go to zorch

literally the best pizza. we travelled to richmond on vacation in february, and i was looking to see if there were any pizza places that has vegan options. this is the only place that came up and it was pretty close, so we went. my boyfriend got the vegan pizza and i got a slice of the upside down. oh my god it was literally the best pizza i have ever had. the crust is the perfect thin NY style, and the vodka sauce on the pizza instead of the normal marinara was EXTRAORDINARY. i had literally never had a better pizza. we went back 2 nights later, because i couldn't stop thinking about the upside down pizza. my friend came to visit a night later and i made them go here with me to have it for the third time, and the last night we were there. we all loved this place so much. everything i had here was so delicious, the people who worked there were nothing but the nicest people who did not judge me for eating there 3 times in 4 days and had the best recommendations. do yourself a favor and eat here, you will not regret it. i think about this place almost daily. the photos show that i couldn't even stop eating it to pose for a good pic. this is the beautiful and delicious upside down slice

I can't say enough great things about this restaurant and their vegan pizza! THIS is the BEST VEGAN pizza in Richmond HANDS DOWN! I am forever coming to this restaurant. The restaurant is best for smaller group visits but they do offer over phone orders for take out. It's honestly all so worth it and they are popular don't be upset you came late. They do have music playing if you decide to stay and enjoy your meal or even add to go when you realize how great it tastes! Parking is street parking if you're not aware. But there's a lot of small shops to walk by.

Interior is small but nice. However, this place is the definition of mediocre overpriced pizza. Service is subpar and rude. They play on being a "New York Style Slice" but it's just one big gimmick, nothing NY Style about it.

Hot wing pizza! Need I say more. It's a hot commodity and hard to come by, but when you get it boy is it good. It resembles a Buffalo chicken pizza, but bigger and better. It's a perfect blend of hot wings and pizza with a splash of blue cheese. If you enjoy a little subtle spice to your wings then you have to give this a try. This little pizza dive has a variety of eclectic pizza options. Although the hot wing is my favorite my husband enjoys the classic pepperoni. He adds Mike honey yo his and it apparently elevated it to the next level. They do have limited seating, but you can order your pizza to go. They are very quick and the wait time is usually under 5mins for food.

Zorch is quite good for thin, NY-style pizza. They're currently only a food truck, but soon they'll be opening a brick and mortar also. Generally I've found them at breweries in Scott's Addition but just check their social media for the current schedule. I've tried their regular cheese, pepperoni, brussel sprouts, and most recently the upside down. They can get a bit greasy, which is the only meh thing about the pies (just grab extra napkins to dab it off). Of those selections, the upside down - vodka sauce, basil, with cheese underneath - has been my favorite by far. There can be a wait if they need to cook another pie, but otherwise they're fast and friendly. I'm looking forward to checking out their storefront when it's ready.

Pizza is always best paired with beer. Zorch usually comes correct but they really did with these two fun slices. The vodka sauce slice was very unique and worked very well. The other with pepperoni and hot honey, well you already know that has to be good and it was.

I love that they offer pizza by the slice! They offer a variety of toppings but typically have a specialty or two that should be tried. I was in and with hot pizza in under 5 minutes.

Zorch Pizza catered an event my husband & I attended and we were delighted to try several vegan pizzas on offer. While not exclusively a vegan food truck, they do a good job of providing the dairy free options. Zorch's soy based mozzarella was delicious, as was the sauce, crust. The quality is right up there with vegan pizza we've had in big cities like Philly & DC. Would highly recommend Zorch Pizza to vegans and omnivores alike. YES: vegan friendly

I went into Zorch with an open mind as I heard they have slices with an abundance of pepperonis on top. I loved how clean and simple the interior was and how easy the ordering process was. I got the Almost Like a Pizza Pie and my partner got the Chicken & Zaffles. I only have one word for both of these: SWEET. They were ungodly sweet and I only ate the cheese and pepperonis off of my pizza, but it was still sweet afterwards. The first bite of Chicken & Zaffles was great! But as I kept eating, it just became unbearable that eating the crust felt better. It could be that this type of pizza is not for me, but I will most likely not return or I will return with hesitations.

Walking around in the Cary town area, my friends and I decided it was time for some grub so we looked for the closest pizza place. Stumbled upon this hidden gem and I have to say, I've only had this pizza once, but D*MN that pizza was good. Ambiance was cool too, they were playing the 3rd Harry Potter film on their big TV, so luckily we were able to score like one of their like THREE tables in the small location but hey, we GOT a table so I ain't gonna complain about that. Customer service was good, the lady was nice and was pretty helpful. The only thing I will say is the large cheese pizza ran us about $20, hence I've only been there once (college student) but honestly it was worth every penny so whatever. 5 stars.

Personally, this is absolutely the best pizza spot in Richmond. Zorch just gets it right from the dough, sauce, cheese, cooking time, the perfect undercarriage and beyond. My family's favorite is just a plain cheese pie, sometimes we do it with the pepperoni (they always place the perfect amount!). My favorite is their Upside Down - their vodka sauce for that is *chefs kiss*. The only downside to this place is when they sell out, it's a travesty! I always recommend this place to family and friends. We have a ton of family that comes to visit from CT where they have New Haven style, they are also a huge fan of Zorch! Usually a great beer selection here, a bit small inside with few tables and a good amount of seats at the bar. Wouldn't recommended dining in if you have a very large party, but we've taken it togo and it holds well and still tastes great after a half hour drive home. Definitely well worth our trek from Chesterfield!

I did not hate them, but I was not in love. It was perfect for a quick bite to eat. When we walked in we found a table right in front of the window. We placed our order for pizza and garlic knots everything came out fairly quickly except for the garlic knots. I ordered a white pizza and it ended up being super salty I actually could not finish it. My husband tried to eat it and he actually said it was too salty for him to and he actually loves salty so that's kind of saying something. But everything else was OK there was no real big issues it just wasn't our favorite place.