Kaylin and Kaylin Pickles

I have been wanting to try this place for quite some time but kept forgetting during all of my visits to the Farmers Market. This past weekend I finally remembered and I’m so happy that I stopped by. As you would expect, they specialize in pickles and have two different locations at the Farmers market. This one that I stopped at specializes in pickle chips and pickle boats. Basically pickle chips are what you would expect in that they are cut circle slices of pickles with different chips and spreads on top and pickle boats are a half of a pickle with the middle scooped out and filled with a topping. You are paying a little extra for premium quality ingredients, but it’s still a lot cheaper than a lot of other places at the Farmers Market. The service is extremely fast and both the people working were very polite and helped me decide what to choose for my first visit. This is a to go type of place, so there is no inside seating, but there are plenty of tables all around the market where you can sit, eat, and enjoy. For my first visit I wanted to try some of their most popular items so I chose the Flaming Hot Cheetos + Nacho Cheese Pickle Chips and the Cream Cheese & Everything Bagel Seasoning Pickle Boat. I would say I liked both of them, but especially the pickle chips were real hit. It reminded me of snacks that I had back in high school and honestly, I ate every bit of it. This is not the sort of place to go to fill up but is a great snack option. I plan to be back in the near future to try more of the flavor options and would recommend to any fan of pickles to give this place a try.

Fun concept but not for my taste – overpriced and overrated We tried Kaylin and Kaylin Pickles at the Farmers Market at The Grove in Los Angeles after my daughter recommended it—she had seen it in a video from her favorite YouTubers who had visited as well. The idea of stuffed pickles, pickle salads, and other creative pickle-based dishes sounded interesting and unique, so I was curious to try it. Unfortunately, I found the experience underwhelming. While the concept is fun and definitely Instagram-worthy, I personally felt it was overrated and quite expensive for the portion sizes. The taste just didn’t live up to the hype for me. If you’re a big pickle lover, it might be worth trying once—but it’s not something I’d go again.

Kaylin+Kaylin Pickles is such a fun and unique stop at The Grove Farmers Market! The pickle flight is a great way to sample their creative flavors. I never thought I’d enjoy a peanut butter and Nutella pickle, but it was surprisingly delicious! Definitely worth checking out—great vibes and super friendly staff.

They have honestly some of the best pickles you can get. Worth everything and more. The pickle flight is amazing and they even credit a portion of that money toward your purchase of a whole jar of pickles, which I absolutely did. Customer service was very nice. They serve the best and most satisfying, crispy, crunchy pickles your heart could ever desire. (And all of the flavors rock! My personal fave is the spicy garlic.) If they get a little pickle loyalty card going, I'll be there way too often. Better than Disneyland pickles by a mile, and I love those.

Nice idea! Specially if you like pickles so much, it can be also good side dish with another order. Just make sure you have something cold to drink with as its really salty sour and makes you more hungry.. so either before or with a meal.

Tried Kaylin + Kaylin for the first time—overall, it was a good experience. The pickles are tasty and the shop has a nice vibe. But let’s be real: $12.91 for half a pickle? That’s steep. Definitely overpriced for what you get. Worth trying once, but not sure I'd go back at those prices.

One thing I cherish is a unique business that has quality products. Kaylin & Kaolin Pickles and Pickles, who are owned by the same person in the Grove. I love great pickles and unique seasonings. It is so much fun choosing and snacking on quality pickles from sweet to savory. I highly recommend that you visit this unique pickle restaurant and enjoy the experience. Great place if you are a fan of pickles.

It was so great, and the gentleman who was working made the experience even better! Pickles with cheetos and nacho cheese on top. If you enter the farmers market by the old Gilmore gas, the pickles are on your left.

I love that they have a pickle tasting here! I haven't tried any of their new viral foods you've seen on TikTok and IG, as I like a plain pickle, and when you add more stuff on that it just gets way too salty. I am 100% a pickle gal, so I come here everytime I'm at the grove to pick up some delicious pickles. Top favorite is the horseradish pickle, not too overwhelming and the pickle itself is CRUNCHY. there's no mushiness to it at all. Secondly the spicy honey mustard and regular honey mustard. Not as CHONCHY, but still has a snap, and the flavor is amazing. I've had a few of their other flavors garlic and dill are good, I like the blazing sour but it's kinda soft. Again, I like a CRONCHY pickle! If you like pickles, I suggest you doing 2 pickle tastings so you can try them ALL, and then purchase the full or half deli containers. Btw these containers are good and sturdy and not flimsy where you spill it when you open it (IYKYK.) Service is friendly and nice they do offer free samples but you're limited so I would just do the tasting, and it's enough to share with 2-3 people, they're pretty generous. As a pickle connoisseur, I would have to put K&K as one of the top pickles I've tasted, at least in California, especially due to the amount of flavors you get. Plus, the tasting helps you choose what you like instead of guessing. I would SKIP their sauerkraut, I wasn't a fan even though I love sauerkraut in general. Also their merch is hilarious.

Got the pickle boat with bacon and cream cheese inside. First off, the pickles here rock. Best pickles in LA I would say , easily. 2 locations at the grove, one with just pickles, one with unique snacks. Stoner food or pregnancy craving food for sure, haha. I love this place, and it's always fun to try new things. And the staff is always super sweet. Quick service, and they validate for the farmers market here . I always stop here when I am at the grove.

A: It's an amazing, phenomenal experience, for three dollars! J: Superb! Refreshing flavor experience, perfect after dinner to try the flight with friends at their outdoor table. R: there's no better way to spend an evening with friends than at the pickle store. we split a flight, had some laughs, and left feeling so happy.

When visiting the farmers market I always like to stop by the pickle place and get a $3 flight of pickles. They have about a dozen or so to choose from, all with unique tastes and flavors. I always try to get something different and am often pleasantly surprised! If so inclined, one can enjoy the pickle flight across the hallway at the tiny bar with a couple of cold beers. Service was great and the staff is very helpful on making choices of all the different pickle flavors to choose from.

I finally made it here! Didn't get to the pickle boats because after the flight I was full of yummy pickles! Next time for sure though. Also, the space that I visited was for buying the pickles themselves and the flights, there is another suite that has the sandwiches and the pickle beer at the bar. I loved all of the flavors that I tried, the garlic, the spicy dill, the jalapeño & the horseradish was my favorite, which I bought to go home, next time I will buy the jalapeño & honey mustard. The HM is their best seller. I wish these guys would do one of those pickle pizzas one day with their pickles because omg. Collab with someone please if you don't do it yourself! Thank you for being at the Farmer's Market!

Every time I'm at the farmers market, I get a pickle flight! What a creative idea! There are I think 11 different flavors of pickles to choose from, so you would need to do at least 3 flights to taste them all. You get five flavors of your choice each time. For $3, it's an excellent snack for you and some friends. The staff are always so kind and willing to help and answer questions. Plus, the merch is also super cute! I'm a proud owner of a pickle shirt!

Was walking around and looking to see where the next spot to try was. Kept walking into the middle of the farmers market and behold, we found a pickle flight flyer that's says it's only $3. Of course we had to try it! When you request a flight, you can choose 5 flavors. We ordered: Honey Mustard, bread and butter, spicy garlic, spicy dill, and blazing. They cut up the pickle slices into smaller bite size pieces and place them into sample cups. They will place the name under the cup so you don't forget the names of what you ordered. If you like any of the flavors you tried, there's an option to buy full sized containers of the flavors you enjoyed. The location is in the middle of the farmers market, kind of busy but there's availability. Entering into the shop was nice and welcoming. They had lots of pickles on display and merch if you would like to purchase. Everyone was so kind and helpful. We will be returning - definitely if you're in the area, try the pickle flight.

These are some great pickles! For only $3 you can sample a flight of 5 pickles, your choice. We tried honey mustard, kosher dill, sweet heat, classic dill, and spicy dill. Our favorites were the honey mustand and the kosher dill. I'm a Claussen addict and I have to say, I loved Kaylin & Kaylin's koshers more! The are so crisp and have JUST the right amount of vinegar, not overpowering at all. Super refreshing! We ended up purchasing some to take home, they give you a $2 discount if you had a flight, which is nice. They also validate parking, so make sure to do that if you stop by here! We did also stop by their Topped stall on the way out, but we were honestly so full from the brunch we just came from that we didn't try any. Next time we are here I definitely want to try a stuffed pickle sandwich.

Who knew pickles could be so heavenly?! I truly did not expect to like this place as much as I did. I have been seeing this place on Instagram and happened to be near by for an event, so I thought it was the perfect place to try! We ended up getting a flight of pickles. The Nutella pickle was hands down one of the best things I've ever eaten. Chocolate and pickles sounds like an odd combination but it is AMAZING! I also really liked the everything seasoned pickle. Not a super fan of the hot cheeto pickle. This stand just makes the pickles, there is a different one nearby where you can sample the pickles. I wish we had time to sample some to take home but maybe next time. Don't be scared of the weird combos, try a pickle flight!

Kaylin and Kaylin Pickles is a really cool spot to check out at The Original Farmers Market especially if you are pickle aficionado. If you are on the fence about deciding what pickle to order. I highly recommend you try the pickle flight. You can pick 5 pickles to try and they will cut up the pickles into little pieces of each flavor for you to try. For $3, you really can't beat this price point. Everything is so expensive nowadays with inflation and rising food costs. To get the opportunity, to try 5 different kinds of pickles for $3 is a really good deal. The staff are very friendly and helpful. This was one of my favorite shops at Farmers Market. I asked for the Top 5 most popular flavors of pickles. I got Honey Mustard, Sweet Heat, Spicy Garlic Spears, Classic Dill and Jalapeño. I really liked all the flavors. There wasn't a bad flavored pickle. My favorites were Honey Mustard and Sweet Heat. I especially love the neon pickle sign

Second time here and did not disappoint. Pickle flights! The honey mustard is my favorite, but they're all pretty tasty. The sweet heat is excellent as well! Service was very speedy and friendly. Cute little ambience with a huge pickle. So much fun!

If you're a pickle connoisseur, you will need to visit this place! Towards the back-ish of the Farmers Market. You are in the right place when you see a green neon sign. Get the pickle flight if you're a pickle lover. Just try all of the flavors, which if you do the flight and end up buying a container of pickles, its $2 off. The staff is super friendly and will assist if you have any questions. I'm a big fan of the Sweet Heat, but it is both really sweet and is spicy. I heard the Honey Mustard is very popular.

I mean, I had to do it! While Topped mostly has nacho style pickles, the sandwich was calling my name. It has turkey and cheese, and then you can pick additional toppings. I got Doritos and bacon bits with nacho cheese. Boy was this messy to eat, but it was worth it!!

So flipping good! We tried the honey mustard and some other kind of pickle on Wednesday and went back to buy a tub of honey mustard Friday before heading out of town. Pickles are the rage right now so they had a lot of different types to try.

I stumbled across this place while at The Original Farmers Market with a friend. Kaylin and Kaylin has two stalls: one for pickles and sauerkraut and one for loaded pickles (Topped). We ran into the Topped stall first and were immediately greeted by a friendly employee who explained what the loaded pickle options were. There were loaded pickle chips, pickle boats, and flights of three pickle boats. We opted to try the pickle boat with crushed Cheetos and nacho cheese. It was fun to try and had great crunch from the pickle and chips. I prefer savory snacks and this definitely hit the spot, but I would recommend splitting with a friend or two because all the sodium was a little too much for me and my friend. The Honey Mustard pickle chips at the other stall were fantastic. They had the right amount of tanginess and weren't too sour. I'm still thinking of these pickles a few days later! Both stalls offer a novel selection of pickles and we were offered parking validation for the Farmers Market parking lot. There are tables and chairs scattered throughout the market for seating. It's definitely worth making a quick stop for pickle lovers.

I love pickles! So I couldn't resist stopping by here while I was at the Farmers Market. The gentleman at the counter was super friendly and offered me several samples. My favorite was the horseradish, so I picked up a large jar for home. Two of my favorite things, pickles and horseradish, combined in a delicious, crunchy satisfying snack. I will have to come back soon and try their sauerkraut as well. Validated parking in the lot for 90 minutes.

I love pickles and social media led me here. Its been about 5 years since I've visited the Farmers Market so its overdue I guess. I got a pickle flight of Horseradish, Spicy Dill, Spicy Garlic, Blazing and Honey Mustard. They were all good, but nothing mind blowing that made me want to buy a jar. I did enjoy the Honey Mustard and Horseradish the most - so maybe I'll try some more next time I am in the area.

Come for the $3 pickle flight! Stay for the honey mustard pickle. Little spot along the middle of the FM with a good deal of pickle flavors from classic dill to full sour to horseradish. My favorites include the honey mustard, spicy garlic, and classic dill. You can purchase full-sized jars after taste testing them, and the staff are helpful. It's in the Grove FM so as busy and loud as you'd expect :) I grabbed a beer nearby and enjoy my little pickle tasting.

Super friendly and welcoming service and staff! If you are a pickle lover this a great spot for light snacking Spicy Dill & Honey Mustard were my faves (:

The pickle flight is one of my favorite hidden gems of the Grove. I literally went at 10am on my birthday because I love sampling these pickles! They all taste so unique and the workers are great at helping you pick the right pickle.

Food - 4/5 Lots of variety for any pickle fan Service - 4/5 Friendly, knowledgeable and appreciated they made suggestions. They also label the the plates for flights so you know which one is which Ambiance - N/A Since this is in the farmers market I feel like it's hard to date ambiance

Saw this place in instagram and I had to try it! It's located in the farmers market next to the grove. It might be hard to locate but you can ask any vendor here and they seem to know where it is I opted to get a flight of pickles, you can choose up to 5 flavors for only $3! The pickles were very delicious. I got classic dill, sour dill, honey mustard, horseradish, and jalapeños! But what's even better was the staff was so nice and pleasant. Very helpful and willing to give free samples to try the flavors!

The best pickles in southern California that I've had. I wish the pickle culture here was stronger but I'll work with what I can get. They have a pickle flight so you can try a number of pickles and they also do samples as well. Definitely recommend the honey mustard and original dill pickles. This stand is in the original LA farmers market so it can get very busy on weekends.

Fellow pickle lovers, you MUST come here!!! There are so many fun flavors of pickles, all being crisp and fresh and delicious. Definitely get the $3 pickle flight, where you can choose to taste 5 different flavors. My favorite was the full sour and classic dill. You can't go wrong with a classic pickle! And for those of you who find pickles too sour, try the honey mustard. My boyfriend who does not like sour foods found this one super tasty. There is something here for everyone.

If you love pickles, you gotta try the pickle flight. It's only $3 and you get to try 5 of their flavors. Great if you're with some friends and want a quick little munch while walking around the farmers market. My reccs are the honey mustard and jalapeno. The staff members are so nice too!

Omg where to begin! I cannot stress this enough... GET THE PICKLE FLIGHT!! Get two of them!! They're $3 each, what do you have to lose?! It's really not every day that you get to try so many different varieties of pickles, and if you're in a group then everyone gets to pick a favorite. I was in a group of 4 and the portions were still so generous that we struggled to finish our flights before getting pickled out! The crowd favorite for my group was the Honey Mustard pickle chips. Mmmmm! If you buy a pickle flight and have a favorite, the nice guys at the stand will take a few bucks off your pickle order. We got a huge jar of the honey mustard pickles to take home for $9!

Huge fan of this place and their pickles. I think I've purchased every flavor from them by now, but the Sweet Heat, Honey Mustard, Spicy Garlic Dill and Horseradish are my top four.

Let's talk pickles! Located in the Farmer's Market of the Grove in the back. The staff were very friendly and I learned a lot about pickles while interacting with the staff. I wanted to try all the flavors and luckily they had a pickle flight where you can try 5 flavors at a time. I decided to get the following flights: -Honey Mustard: 5/5. I loved the flavor of the pickle and the pickle brine was to die for! I decided to ask if I can get a shot of the honey mustard brine and they gave it to me. -Sweet Heat: 5/5! I loved the mix of the sweetness and the spiciness of the pickles. I felt one flavor did not overpower the other and it was a great balance. The brine was delicious also! -Bread N Butter: 3/5! I liked the pickle but if you stacked it against the Honey Mustard and Sweet Heat, my papillae would favor those more. -Classic Dill: 2.5/5. It was a normal dill pickle but I've had better dill pickles with more flavor. It was alright but not my favorite. -Spicy Garlic: 3/5!! The spicy garlic was alright! I felt like there wasn't a good balance between the garlic and the spiciness took over more than the garlic flavor which made it a 3/5 for me. The staff were friendly and were very knowledgeable about their business. Shoutout to Emmit for answering all the questions I've had and great flavor recommendations! I was obsessed with the pickles so much I wanted to take it home with me on my flight. They informed me that they can ship an order of the brine and pickles out to me if I wanted to! They informed me that their website may show that it's sold out and recommended that I order the brine and pickles at the restaurant. Sure enough when I tried to look at their website, the pickles were indeed sold out. I will definitely be back and be on the lookout for the pickles on the website!

Pickle chips are just sliced pickles with your chip of choice crushed up and poured on top. They quickly turn to mush on top of wet pickles. I pictured pickle chips being breaded in your choice chip, and fried. Was thinking crispy not wet. Super disappointed and a real waste of money.

At the grove in Los Angeles, we stopped by this cute little shop to get some pickles, and tried the pickle flight to decide on a flavor. The customer service is awesome the'll give suggestions of flavors if you seem unaware of what to try(love that) the pickles are mouthwatering and delicious. We ended up getting honey mustard and kosher dill to bring home. Give this place a try if at the Grove. It won't disappoint. side note- if you try a flight you'll save money on your entire purchase.

4 stars because I wish they would sell individual pickles / large pickles for people! I ended up getting the sampler, which I loved. I especially liked the horseradish and the honey mustard. I'll definitely be back again to taste more flavors and buy some pickles. I saw they have lots of sauerkraut options I would like to try in the future.

Epic. The tasting menu is great and we ordered two sets of two testings so that a whole table could compare impressions. My favorite were the half sour, spicy garlic, and horseradish- each of which we bought to take home with us. We also but a container a sriracha sauerkraut The staff was really fun as well and we bought hats. I can't wait to come back.

Five stars for service! Juan was very friendly and helpful. He offered a sample of the honey mustard pickles and I was hooked! The pickles are a little pricey but make an excellent gift for the pickle lover in your life. My husband has been raving about their jalapeno pickles! Plus, they also validate for parking in the Farmers Market lot (90 minutes). I was glad that Juan asked if I needed a validation because I'm not sure I would have remembered.

Workers are so nice here! I love doing the $3 pickle flights. spicy garlic and honey mustard are the best.

Service was great, employees were really engaging and helped me choose flavors for my pickle flight. I also appreciated that each pickle was labeled so I could identify them at my table. I went there thinking I was going to buy the Honey Mustard Pickles, but the Sweet Heat flavor was a sleeper hit- had the perfect amount of kick for someone who doesn't like overwhelming spice. Looking forward to coming back! In general, I do think their product is a little more on the expensive side, but it's a great experience, tasty, and worthy of a lil' splurge.

Came on a busy Saturday night and was able to get 2 flights without too much of a wait. The sample sizes are pretty big in my opinion as well. The pickles are delicious. Love the idea of a flight and the ability to try a bunch of their flavors. The sauerkraut was also very good. My favorite is the spicy garlic or classic dill. Located in the Farmers Market. There are lots of other things to also see and try. It's a cool place to check out on in LA.

First of all, the quality of the pickles here is absolutely delightful. I had tried the honey mustard pickles at a friends BBQ and knew I had to stop by with my family right away. There was a queue that had formed since it was a busy day at The Farmers Market. This is when I noticed something alarming and unacceptable: The people in front of us in line were visiting from the Midwest and the employee helping them spoke in a very friendly and normal manner. When I walked up with my African American husband and mixed race daughter, the employee instantly changed his voice to mimic that of a southern thug. In no way do I find a "Black-ccent" to be an acceptable thing to do. I was even more alarmed to find out that he was the General Manager when I asked. It made all three of us uncomfortable and we will continue to only do purchases from Kaylin & Kaylin Pickles online from now on. *Thank you to Scott Kaylin for addressing this matter so quickly and having a dialogue over the matter, no matter how uncomfortable it may be. Still a great quality pickle and a very hospitable owner indeed

I love this place! $3 pickle flight plus two free samples! Pickles were all delicious and the girl that helped me was so nice and gave great recommendations

Loooovvvvveeee this place! Either your a fan of pickles or not, you will love this place. There is so many people coming to try this place where getting samples is hard unless you pay 3 bucks to try them all. I love the honey mustard the most. I bought a few and boy does the honey mustard stand out! It is super crisp and so delicious! My second choice is definitely the horseradish. It isn't cut but has that tang that everyone will love. All in all, this is a great place and I love to get some for appetizers for my guest and it is a one stop shop since it is in the middle of the farmers market at the grove! The only downside is the packaging. The bucket doesn't reseal after opening so have to be careful when I pick it up again from my fridge, but other than that it is amazing

Wow!!! For the love of pickles!!!! This is the real deal pickle lovers... We stopped in to the original farmers market in LA at the grove, sampled everyone of their delicious pickles I love the spicy pickles and jalapeño pickles, and I loved the sweet pickles... " Mr. Pickles" was so nice so friendly to chat with. This company has been through a lot they opened at the very beginning of the pandemic and they managed to keep on going. they are thriving. They also have sauerkraut in different flavors but the pickles are just outstandingly delicious... we are ordering ours online. I think they make excellent gifts as well for all those pickle lovers out there!

My friend and I loved the pickle flight. We had a great time trying the different pickles flavors and crunch factors. We both ended up getting a container. Highly recommend going.

The pickles were amazing! The service at the stand where they sell the actual pickles was awesome. I am putting 2 stars because of my experience at the stand where they sell the sandwiches and boats. There were two girls that kept laughing at me and the person i was with. They were rude and made us feel embarassed even though we did nothing wrong. They kept mumbling under their breath and laughing. I just found it a bit rude and made my experience a little bitter. Otherwise, the pickles are yummy and I recommend going to the original stand to get the pickle flight!

My husband and I are in the middle of cleaning out our fridge and I think he just discovered my true love for pickles as he can't believe I'm sitting down to write a review right now about pickles! Pickle lovers, have you ever found that open container in the back of the fridge and they are mushy and gross? Not Kaylin + Kaylin pickles! We bought these 6 months ago and just pulled out the open container of honey mustard chips! They are as crisp and tasty as the day we opened them! Wow! Yes their pickles are a little bit pricey but for the selection, quality and freshness, definitely worth it! Located in the Original Farmers Market, pickle lovers will not be disappointed! On our last trip, we had samples of some other flavors that were terrific as well! Service was friendly filling you up on pickle samples! We will definitely be back to stock up the next time we're in LA!

I stumbled upon this establishment a while back when I was having a particularly terrible day and had time to kill. I didn't think anything could fix my mood but boy was I wrong! I am here to say if you are ever feeling blue, their pickle flight will always turn that frown upside down! They give you a choice of about five different pickles that you can taste for $3 and then if you decide to purchase a container of pickles you get $2 off! So basically the pickle flight is free, right? ;) Anyways the jalapeño pickles are TO DIE FOR. Plus it's like a two for one because you're getting a jar of pickles and a jar of jalapeños all in one! So my point is, a big THANK YOU to Kaylin pickles for changing my life :D

Manager and staff were super kind and friendly to my son. So many pickle flavors to choose from. Definitely coming back.

Best pickles on the planet! I live in the SF Bay Areay Area but every time I'm in Los Angeles I always stope here to stock up! Staff is very friendly and helpful friendly and helpful. I usually get a flight of pickles to sample and then they let you credit the price of the flight towards your purchase

The pickle sampler was a fun experience. You get to choose 5 different flavors and each one will come with about 3 slices per flavor. Each really does have a unique taste. They mentioned the honey mustard was one of their most popular flavors so I had to try that out. After trying it, it was the best flavor out of the ones I tried. The flavor of the honey mustard is so complex and delicious. It's not overly sour but just has a really strong and tasty honey mustard flavor. So good!

These pickles are delicious! I ordered the Sweet Heat and I am not a sweet pickle fan at all, but these were recommended so I tried them and loved them! The Hot dill chips are also delicious. So very good, crunchy and fresh. Not a fan of the flavor of regular dill but for me I just like more flavor. The pickles are still just as fresh and delicious. Customer service is fantastic. I had a question that the owner emailed me back with an answer within a very short time. These are $15 a jar, plus shipping so they are expensive but well worth the cost. Be warned. It can take up to 4 weeks for shipping but this is stated up front so wasn't a big deal and I was more than happy to wait for a fresh, perfectly made jar of pickles! Highly recommend if you can make the spurge and you are a pickle lover that you definitely give these a try.

Bought the full sour pickles without doing the tasting flight because I was in a hurry, there was a long line so I assumed the pickles were amazing. I was so excited to get home and try them only to find out that the pickles are not crunchy. I didn't even know that a soggy pickle was a possibility, but it is and I'm so disappointed.